It's another thing if it becomes more a cultural expectation than an actual attraction, and I think the reaction would be rather different if enough men decided not to date women who don't have at least D cups.

Edited with context: The point is that men don't just prefer larger and larger breasts; there is a peak in preference for medium breast sizes[1]. But women do prefer as tall a man as they can get; there is no peak in male partner height preference among females.[2]

1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210352/ 2: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01918...

That doesn't seem to be what the study says:

> women are most satisfied when their partner was 21 cm taller

Same as with breasts there's a drop off at some point, it's just that in the case of height it's relative. And from personal experience, I have been rejected repeatedly for being too tall, as in the difference between myself and the prospective partner was deemed too high (~30cm or more). Beyond a point that height difference just highlights the shortness of the woman and women already have it harder when it comes to expectation of looks.

I think it's reasonably obvious by now that women historically had (and still do) a far higher pressure put on them when it comes to looks in general, just not very focused on height. This is how as a society we ended up having women wearing makeup almost as standard, dying or removing their hair, wearing pushup bras, or high heels (less related to height but rather relative position of the pelvis). And that's before the more invasive procedures like breast implants, botox, face lifts, or other surgeries.

According to the article, if you're in the US, that's an inch above average.

My experiences in high school deeply affected my mental health.

But on the topic of hanging, just out of curiosity, I'd like to mention: I've been reading about the benefits of dead hangs for shoulder health, and I've seen a few comments from people who claim that dead hangs actually did make them taller. I wonder whether it's true.

That said, the benefits of good health, better confidence, etc. from strength training probably far outweigh any benefits from increased height.

Yes, I can do that for any statement and it has the same impact replace “people who are mean to me” with “Jews” in the sentence “I hate people who are mean to me”.

I don’t actually disagree with your content though.

They published a lot of very interesting anonymized stats back then.

Would you rather not know?

I imagine a lot of tech companies are holding on to some extremely volatile truths about society that they do not want becoming public.

I completely agree with you that's completely insane decision from the point of view of soulless corp that just wants to suck people dry.

You could just as easily go and find 20 tweets from 2014 of women saying they refuse to date black men. If you build your worldview by cherry picking the opinions of 20 twitter users out of 300 million and treating them as gospel then you can create any bleak reality you want.

It's just really weird to me that some people get angry about being short (understandably so) but instead of just admitting that, they turn to some kind of universalist morality as a way of shifting the burden to others

For example against Putin.

(Doesn't matter what you think of Putin - slurs based on personal appearance are always wrong against anyone full stop.)

Aside from that, he punches up, politicians, celebreties and sometimes just random people, but always in playful manner. Hes quite fond of absurdist rants and comments, I find it thoroughly entertaining.

There's a saying in English when someone needs to show bravery: "chin up".

What do you think it means, other than "stand straight and tall"?

(admittedly it's phrased better that way because it's more indirect, but now we're analyzing glib four-word jokes)

I mean if we're going to take this to its logical extreme, why should personality be fair judgement? Some people have grating personalities and are annoying to be around, maybe they were born that way. Actions? Maybe Putin genuinely believes that Nazis are oppressing Russians in Ukraine. If he did, would that make it excusable?

How about we just be nice to each other? That doesn't seem a tall ask. Don't make mean jokes about short people! But that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that this social phenomenon in language or make jokes that aren't mean.

I don't think so. Just don't mock someone's height, sexual-orientation, size-of-hands, etc. That's completely achievable.

> I mean if we're going to take this to its logical extreme

Well then don't take it to an extreme - do the easy bit and just stop yourself each time you're criticising someone for something that they very clearly can't control at all without resorting to surgery.

Let's waaay overanalyze this: Courage makes you taller does not mock anyone. It does however acknowledge heightism. It's not mean to say, therefore it's fair game and not "fucked up" the way that the joke about the garden gnome in the OP is. We can make jokes about guys with huge pornstar cocks without that being an insult to those who are less-endowed.

[1] Overanalyzing further: Size-of-hands is fair game, because 1) Trump's hands aren't actually particularly small, and 2) because Trump seems to be sensitive to the subject, it's a comment on his thin-skinned personality not his physical self. Also 3) Trump is a public figure and isn't entitled to the same level of politeness that a private person can expect.

Strong disagree.

Probably because Zelensky is a comedian does TV skits people understand as jokes about having a big enough penis to play the piano with, while Putin's T.V. appeareances are the same bravado without the satire?

But I'm not convinced punching upward in this manner to the obscenely rich and powerful should be considered universally wrong. If Putin did not want to be so judged, he wouldn't put out all those pictures of himself shirtless posing with horses and dolphins. I think he in particular is fair game.

But more than that - if for example you abuse Lindsay Graham by calling him 'gay' - 'punching up' in your mind - then that does that say about what you think about other gay people that you think it's a criticism to call him gay?

What if you used racial slurs, but exclusively on brown multimillionaires?

(To be clear, this question applies to certain kinds of public figures and not the shy kid in the schoolyard)

I don't think most folks are against that.

On balance though, I think I agree with you.

The only reason I'd even consider talking about trump and his apperance in a denigrating fashion is because he's so damn vain. Even so, i try to avoid it.

Trump, perhaps sensibly, went with photoshop instead, tho.

-Steven Wright

Though I believe what is said is (most usually) more important than who said what, I think even they will tell you, regarding statements like these, to consider the source. Also, rock stars, actors and fighter pilots always had insane game, and the tall ones are an anomaly (though, last 20 years or so, there has been a notable increase in average height due to a handful of extremely tall actors getting roles).

Incidentally, A. T. Great is maybe evidence that this is a modern fixation, not something that's always been with us. It's fairly clear that he was unusually short, but there's little indication that anyone thought much of it; by contrast, the idea that Napoleon (who wasn't even short!) was short was a propaganda point for the UK.

I feel like I need to point out that nobody ever genocided millions of short guys based on their height. :-/