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Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by XorNot on Saturday April 30, 2022 @12:16PM (#31217087)
> LHC have absorbed a disproportionate share of these scare resources

As opposed to? This sentiment was bandied around a lot before the LHC went online, but no one ever had a proposition of what the alternative was is the goal was to advance fundamental particle physics. You've got exactly 2 ways to probe subatomic interactions: (1) particle accelerator measurement and (2) incidental measurements of high-energy spaceborne collisions.

We're doing both. Theoreticians being unable to conclusively find a new measurement is a problem independent of the fact the LHC exists to do those sorts of measurements that they'd need.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by JackFr on Saturday April 30, 2022 @12:42PM (#31217261)
Maybe the physicists are looking for their car keys under the streetlight. Unable to find, them the only solution they can conceive of is a bigger streetlight.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by davrosthedalek on Saturday April 30, 2022 @02:51PM (#31218246)
Which might be the right approach in a world without torches?
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by TheOtherHobbes on Saturday April 30, 2022 @12:54PM (#31217355)
As opposed to open season on new theory - or even new kinds of theory.

The Standard Model is a bit of a franken-theory of a thing, a kit of parts bolted together in awkward ways. It looks a lot like the pre-quantum ad-hoc theories that attempted to describe quantum effects before QM was invented.

It's hard to believe that physics can't do better. But easy to believe that physics won't do better while most of the money and all of the mental space is owned by concepts that are more than a hundred years old now.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by gizmo686 on Saturday April 30, 2022 @01:08PM (#31217451)
That sounds like you are complaining about the amount of investment in experimental physics in general, rather than the LHC in particular. It is true that fundamental physics could use a major breakthrough from the theorists. However, the theorists we do have are desperate for more experimental evidence to help them.

Add to that that experimental physics is simply far more expensive then theoretical physics, and it should come as no surprise that we spend more money on experiments then pure theory.

The complaint about LHC is more about questioning weather spending $5 billion to smash protons together is the most effective way of getting more empirical evidence to the physicists.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by noizejoy on Saturday April 30, 2022 @07:10PM (#31220384)
> spending $5 billion to smash protons together

About the same as a the price of a large modern sports club in a top league[0]

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/apr/29/chelsea-sir...

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by jcranmer on Saturday April 30, 2022 @01:06PM (#31217433)
Proton decay experiments? Magnetic monopole searches?

Providing better bounds on the (non-)existence of phenomena predicted by existing non-Standard Model particle physics theories sounds like a worthwhile endeavor rather than praying that particle accelerators will maybe uncover a particle if you give it just a little bit more juice.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by davrosthedalek on Saturday April 30, 2022 @03:07PM (#31218375)
What's the difference to new particles predicted by BSM theories you might uncover if you give it just a little bit more juice? Especially if you measure a ton of other things at the same time?
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by robonerd on Saturday April 30, 2022 @01:58PM (#31217844)
> no one ever had a proposition of what the alternative was is the goal was to advance fundamental particle physics. You've got exactly 2 ways to probe subatomic interactions: (1) particle accelerator measurement and (2) incidental measurements of high-energy spaceborne collisions.

Sabine has recommended funding more telescopes to learn more about dark matter.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by patrick451 on Saturday April 30, 2022 @02:54PM (#31218272)
As opposed to funding things that are not particle physics at all. As far as I can tell, knowing that bosons exist has had approximately zero impact on our ability to engineer new stuff. Personally, I'm tired of footing the bill for a field that requires the one of the largest, most expensive experimental systems ever conceived yet seems unable to produce more than useless factoids.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by XorNot on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:14PM (#31220812)
This is just demanding to know where research will lead us, as though it's the tech tree in a 4X game.

You'd be equally opposed to Sabine's alternative since what use is knowing anything about dark matter? For that matter who cares where the universe came from. What have telescopes helped us with lately?