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Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by reisr3 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:30PM (#31195447)
Somewhere at Twitter HQ, there are two boxes full of notecards:

1. Things that need to be "fixed" in the code, immediately, before Elon gets here. 2. Things we'll need to publicly admit before Elon gets here.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by TrainedMonkey on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:41PM (#31195604)
That is a nice thought, however twitter locked down the codebase to avoid disgruntled employees from vandalizing the site / planting backdoors: https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/26/twitter-lock-source-code-e...

This does raise a question - what are all those twitter engineers are doing?

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by GycDH6mb on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:53PM (#31195780)
When the company I worked for was in the process of being acquired, our codebase was frozen as well. I'm pretty sure this is just standard practice, no?
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by Macha on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:00PM (#31195875)
My previous experience of this was:

1. No user facing feature releases for the time being the deal being agreed and becoming effective (plenty of backend systems, performance optimisations, etc. still got released)

2. Don't touch anything on the day of the deal, in fact, take a free day off.

3. No major feature removals for 3 months after the deal.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by breckenedge on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:51PM (#31195750)
I imagine they are still writing code, just not shipping it. And there’s an exception for fixing things, which this would definitely fall under
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by urmish on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:12PM (#31196062)
Code freeze and 'legal documents freeze' are 2 different. There is no way to prove that any traces of biased decisions taken over the past few years were gotten rid of immediately after those decisions were taken.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by zhdc1 on Friday April 29, 2022 @12:26AM (#31201432)
Look at any FAANG/MAANA and ask the same question.

If I had to guess, most of them have so much cashflow that mid and senior level managers are able to do engage in organizational silo-ing by hiring a large amount of expensive engineering talent without much pushback.

If this is the case, there's likely a large pool of talented and highly compensated employees doing work that doesn't touch on either a profit center or high-impact research & development. And what work is being done is likely influenced by Parkinson's Law.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by elzbardico on Thursday April 28, 2022 @03:10PM (#31196878)
Whatever engineers do when their company is acquired in such a fashion: Loitering around the cafeterias and coolers after sending their resumes and scheduling their interviews.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by _-david-_ on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:05PM (#31195954)
Presumably you could still apply some changes. If there was a critical vulnerability Twitter could make the changes necessary. If those changes are allowed, maybe not so critical changes could be made as well.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by powera on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:21PM (#31196202)
I am curious what all those twitter engineers are doing as well. Presumably it's secret in some way?
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by mrfusion on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:34PM (#31196386)
But who is guarding the guards?
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by twtrgrunt on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:11PM (#31196055)
The only question is raises is how incompetent is this journalist. the source code is locked. It's not everyone is committing stuff...

What I'm learning from this how little anyone posting shit on the internet actually knows. Misinformation from incompetence or just trying to be a know it all everywhere.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by oefnak on Thursday April 28, 2022 @05:01PM (#31198165)
So please explain to us how it does work!
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by twtrgrunt on Friday April 29, 2022 @12:19AM (#31201389)
i don't really have an incentive to do that, i just wanted to comment on how inaccurate this was written and share a thought about our "news" based off my knowledge. The author shouldn't have written this if they don't understand what they're writing about. Or cant verify their leaked information.

Probably most news is misinformed if you think about.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by adrianb on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:33PM (#31195485)
But a public company has higher public transparency obligations than a private one. Why do you think being afraid of Elon will make them more transparent than being afraid of the SEC?
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by mdorazio on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:38PM (#31195564)
Cynically, the SEC will only issue fines in most cases. Elon will (according to accounts from friends who have worked at his companies) fire leadership without hesitation and possibly publicly shame them, too.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by martythemaniak on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:45PM (#31195672)
> and possibly publicly shame them, too

You accidentally hit upon what "free speech" means when used by whales. If Musk berates and bullies an employee with endless racist and sexist slurs, he'd get in trouble. But if he points his mook armies at that same employee and subjects them to the same abuse, it's all good. Just freedom of speech.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by vorpalhex on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:50PM (#31195740)
Yeah, like when Politico recently pointed out the FDA was told about infected baby formula months before several babies were killed by it.

Obviously Politico is just gathering their mooks to subject the poor gentle souls of Abbott and the FDA to abuse.

We can't disclose wrongdoing - think of the mean things people might say.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by chowells on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:09PM (#31196028)
This is missing the point so badly it seems almost intentional. Public outcry at the actions of the government is entirely different from incited bullying of individuals with no public presence.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by decremental on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:29PM (#31196323)
She has a pretty big public presence. She was on the Joe Rogan podcast with Jack. Calling someone out for being terrible never seemed to bother anyone until apparently 5 seconds ago.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by gkop on Thursday April 28, 2022 @08:24PM (#31199907)
Huh? Punching down has never been considered classy.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by gjsman-1000 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:19PM (#31196163)
"incited bullying of individuals with no public presence"

Elon Musk never even mentioned her - he simply referred to Twitter's actions as "obviously incredibly inappropriate" and linked to an article that happened to mention her.

> "bullying of individuals with no public presence"

You can't be serious. This person is literally responsible for burying the Hunter Biden laptop story and is personally responsible for banning Trump. That's a public position whether you like it or not. I don't think anyone would think we can stop criticizing Putin the moment he exits office.

Imagine if Jack Dorsey ran Twitter without a Twitter account. That would not negate your ability to criticize his leadership even if he never spoke.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by wholien on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:48PM (#31195724)
> But if he points his mook armies at that same employee and subjects them to the same abuse, it's all good. Just freedom of speech.

What does "points his mock armies at the same employee" mean here? Any examples?

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by res0nat0r on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:57PM (#31195827)
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by AlchemistCamp on Thursday April 28, 2022 @05:14PM (#31198304)
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by macinjosh on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:03PM (#31195927)
1. This "employee" is in a very high position and makes $17 million/year. 2. She is in charge of Twitter's censorship team. She can send an email and block and ban every single account that tweeted something abusive at her.

I think she can handle some criticism.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by gjsman-1000 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:07PM (#31195997)
This "employee" is also the very person who chose to A.) Block President Trump and B.) Ban the story about Hunter Bidens's laptop from the New York Post, which was declared real by the NYT two years later.

Furthermore, Elon did not berate her by name or handle, he just said that what Twitter did was "obviously incredibly inappropriate" with a link to a story mentioning her, even though he did not mention her by name.

She's calling it abusive, not because Elon called her names (he never mentioned her, just the story) even though she was behind the biggest bans and censorship. She's upset that her power has been exposed and she might have some accountability for her decisions.

For how powerful she is, imagine if we weren't allowed to criticize the President, or a member of Congress, or Jeff Bezos, or even Elon Musk himself because it might hurt their feelings. When you are in a position of that much power, criticism must come with it, and you don't get to complain about that.

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by Amezarak on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:41PM (#31196495)
Yes, this is totally bizarre. You have enormously powerful people shaping the public discourse not only crying foul at idea they might face the slightest bit of accountability, but also successfully lobbying other people to defend them from any public criticism. Then we have to listen to them sanctimoniously talk about how "disinformation" threatens democracy, or whatever! Faceless Twitter employees shaping political discourse during an election get a free pass, though?

Meanwhile, these same people have no problem with using their power to shape and weaponize discourse against other people! For example, the news media regularly unmasks regular Twitter users simply for having a huge following with non-media approved opinions and then shrugs when they face death threats. But...don't you dare talk about the journalist that did it!

Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by myko on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:49PM (#31196610)
It should be noted that trump had just attempted a coup against the United States when he was blocked. Preventing him access to his bullhorn was and is a good idea.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by stronglikedan on Thursday April 28, 2022 @04:58PM (#31198128)
If that were true, someone would have been charged by now, and I'm not talking about the desperate misdemeanor charges they've been pulling out of their asses to save face.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by 1e4e5 on Thursday April 28, 2022 @04:23PM (#31197744)
It should be noted that trump "attempted a coup" without any weapons. It should be noted the only deaths on January 6th were trump supporters. It should be noted that trump's last tweet that got him banned was "let your voices be heard, and go home in peace". I should start watching Netflix and marvel comic movies again so I can exist in your reality.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by philistine on Thursday April 28, 2022 @10:27PM (#31200705)
Attempted murder is a crime. Failing at your attempt to overthrow the government because you tried doing it without weapons does not shield you from consequence. I'm not even talking only legal consequence here; it is completely reasonable to look at what Trump tried to do and refuse to engage with him.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by ackfoobar on Thursday April 28, 2022 @03:31PM (#31197142)
I find it interesting that this comment has flipflopped gray and black. It seems reasonable enough?
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by awlkjlwtkjrg on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:54PM (#31196674)
Vijaya committed a federal felony of election interference and should be arrested.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by JaimeThompson on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:42PM (#31196509)
It is never a good sign when a leader holds others to standards they themselves aren't held to.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by nullc on Thursday April 28, 2022 @03:45PM (#31197314)
Counterargument: If you hire someone make a painting of your dog, would you hold their work to a higher standard than if you had done the work yourself?
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by JaimeThompson on Thursday April 28, 2022 @04:50PM (#31198033)
I expect leaders to lead by example and to not punish others for behaving the same way leadership does. Leaders trashing workers isn't them doing the job they are paid to do.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by christkv on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:39PM (#31195579)
They are worried about the lawsuits that would be filed against the board and the executive if they find fraud after the deal closes.
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by jdrc on Thursday April 28, 2022 @01:38PM (#31195570)
... which can become things that Elon can use to sue and break the deal
Re:Twitter admits it overstated users for years ahead of Elo... by awlkjlwtkjrg on Thursday April 28, 2022 @02:56PM (#31196696)
I wonder how many people are going to be arrested at Twitter for all the federal crimes they've committed over the years?