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Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by imtringued on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:52AM (#31154724)
This is one of the most interesting aspects of our modern economy. We have rockets that go to space. We have nuclear weapons. We have automated industrial facilities. We have advanced healthcare. We have the internet and computers. We have basically everything, except the basics.

The reason for that is the same and will stay the same, for the entirety of humanity. Land is a finite resource that must be shared with other humans. Money is a public utility that must be shared with other humans. Humans don't like sharing these exclusive types of things.

You have these people complaining that India should "fix poverty" instead of doing a miniscule (by international standards) space program. The solution to homelessness requires existing landowners to give up their land. They don't want to give up their land, so instead, homelessness acts as the pressure relief valve/externality. In fact, homelessness is considered a price worth paying.

The same is true with money. People like having more money than they actually need. The ability to save against the wishes of other people and thereby indebt them is exactly what they want, the resulting unemployment is considered a price worth paying.

Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by Clubber on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:33AM (#31155389)
Since around the 1960s, we've had large economic forces greatly increasing the supply of labor affecting wages:

  1. Women entering the workforce, essentially doubling the labor pool.
  2. Immigration - at least a million a year, every year.
  3. Globalization - instead of local workforce, many companies can now outsource labor to cheaper countries without regulation.
  4. Manufacturing - due to NAFTA, companies who once manufactured in the US can now get much cheaper labor to Mexico. This is related to #3.
  5. Automation - The amount of labor needed to perform a task has been greatly reduced.
To sum it up in my mind, US companies have more or less fixed poverty at a global scale while making a profit at the expense of US workers. #3 and #4 are largely a result of removing tariff and trade regulations. #2 is also a result of government policy. Easing any of these things over decades, one at a time would have been preferred, allowing the economy to adjust. Unfortunately they all happened in a roughly 30 year period between the 1970s and the 2000s, and have accelerated since.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by chelical on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:33PM (#31157215)
US benefitted significantly from being the only major power that didn't have its labor pool and industrial base crippled by WWII.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by ixtli on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:23PM (#31157980)
Absolutely correct. And if you look out share of the global GDP has been steadily declining relative to the wealth of other nations since then. The days of American hegemony are numbered, thank god.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by otoburb on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:54AM (#31155728)
As more of the American workforce voice their opinions and try to win the WFH battle, #3 will re-accelerate.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by revlolz on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:32AM (#31156301)
The wfh battle won't be impacted. USA Immigration process is absolutely horrendous and hiring remotely essentially concedes their wfh position (role is able to work remotely) . Globalization implies labor will be cheaper opting for remote foreign labor, but there will be constraints to doing so and I suspect the best companies will adapt by capitalizing on wfh as a "benefit" rather than come to conflict with opinions of talent.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by strikelaserclaw on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:40AM (#31156433)
Land is finite but there is more than enough if we fix our stupid policies.
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by ixtli on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:21PM (#31157962)
Yes but what about landlord feelings? Have you considered those??
Re:Gen Z does not dream of labor by sieabahlpark on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:50AM (#31156578)
Cool it marx. This just comes off as an angst ridden teenager throwing up his hands shouting "I give up!". Rather than evaluating what careers can get them where they want to be.