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Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by chrisfosterelli on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:36PM (#31123963)
> Cutting phrases like “whitelist/blacklist” and “master/slave” out of our vocabulary not only addresses years of habitual bias in tech terminology, but forces us as writers and researchers to be more creative with the way we describe things.

> calling landlords “property owners” is almost worse than calling them “landchads,” and half as accurate. It’s catering to people like Howard Schultz who would prefer you not call him a billionaire, but a “person of means.”

"I like the tool because it removes others' words that I don't like but I don't like the tool because it removes my words that others don't like"

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by nmilo on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:49PM (#31124208)
I think you're misreading. Nowhere in the article did the author say she "liked the tool" for removing whitelist/blacklist.
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by skrbjc on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:33PM (#31125053)
"Being more inclusive with our writing is a good goal, and one that’s worth striving toward as we string these sentences together and share them with the world. “Police officers” is more accurate than “policemen.” Cutting phrases like “whitelist/blacklist” and “master/slave” out of our vocabulary not only addresses years of habitual bias in tech terminology, but forces us as writers and researchers to be more creative with the way we describe things. Shifts in our speech like swapping “manned” for “crewed” spaceflight are attempts to correct histories of erasing women and non-binary people from the industries where they work."

This is a whole paragraph in the article where the author agrees this is good thing, just that google implemented it poorly.

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by awofford on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:05PM (#31124517)
Obviously the former example is written in more positive language than the latter.
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by glasshug on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:28PM (#31124950)
> On a more extreme end, if someone intends to be racist, sexist, or exclusionary in their writing, and wants to draft that up in a Google document, they should be allowed to do that without an algorithm attempting to sanitize their intentions and confuse their readers.

The author does position themselves against algorithmic sanitization generally.

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by monkeybutton on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:21PM (#31124820)
Why not use proprietor?
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by causalmodels on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:29PM (#31124957)
Because it leads to confusion.

Example: Is the proprietor of a bar the person running it or the landlord who owns the building?

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by akhmatova on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:38PM (#31126133)
Actually, it is generally understood that the owner/proprietor of a bar is the business owner (aka license owner) -- and that this in general is not the same person who owns the bricks.

A more clearcut case of semantic confusion I can see a crappy AI creating out of the blue would be:

"My proprietor said if I didn't pay the rent soon she was gonna ..."

Which clearly has a very different (and basically nonsensical) meaning than a the more natural formulation using the now thankfully forbidden L-word.

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by causalmodels on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:46PM (#31126262)
Agreed, I was just trying give an example of why using proprietor would create confusion.
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by akhmatova on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:49PM (#31126320)
Right -- the "bar's landlord" is in general not it's proprietor.
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by Macha on Friday April 22, 2022 @07:06PM (#31129346)
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by akhmatova on Saturday April 23, 2022 @03:04PM (#31137319)
"Its". Me of all people.
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by vorpalhex on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:06PM (#31125660)
Why not use Landlord, a word everyone understands?
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by ehsankia on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:27PM (#31125945)
Here's the definition of landlord I see

> A landlord is the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land, or real estate which is rented or leased to an individual or business

How is that different from "property owner"? The difference is that to you, a native English speaker, landlord is a word you're familiar with. To others, it's a whole new word they need to learn, whereas property-owner is self-descriptive. It's like using good variable names in your code, you don't need to look up the definition of every word when you use re-use words that are common.

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by umanwizard on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:33PM (#31126040)
> How is that different from "property owner"?

They mean different things: one is a subset of the other. A person who owns their own home that they live in is a property owner, but not a landlord.

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by ehsankia on Sunday May 01, 2022 @03:01AM (#31222826)
> that they live in

Well that's new to me, because I absolutely do not get that from the term "property owner". For example, if I have a place I own that my brother lives in, and someone asks my brother "who is the property owner", he would definitely answer me. I own that property. How does the term property owner say anything about where the person lives in?

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by akhmatova on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:39PM (#31126143)
Because it promotes wrong and harmful thinking. And must therefore be extinguished.
Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by nicbou on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:30PM (#31125988)
Perhaps it's a very specific answer, but I write in simple English, since many of my readers are not native speakers. I stick to words people are likely to understand.

Our local immigration office recently picked a newer, better name, but since no one uses it, I'm sticking to the old one.

Another one is expat vs immigrant. I favor immigrant, but I can't rename expat insurance to immigrant insurance. The latter does not exist.

I use the gender-neutral "they" across the website, but sometimes "he" would be a lot clearer when replacing a singular noun like "the landlord".

Sometimes the common word is the right word to use. When in doubt, I refer to Google Trends.

Re:Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very ... by burkaman on Friday April 22, 2022 @02:36PM (#31126105)
If you say "I paid my proprietor this month", nobody will understand what you mean. It's simply a different word with a different definition.