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Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by apolloartemis on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @03:58PM (#31102140)
Can’t you model almost anything as a piecewise linear function? I don’t know if this claim is saying much of substance.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by jasoncrawford on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:08PM (#31102289)
Yes, but if your data is actually exponential, the linear segments are not going to be better approximations than an exponential curve. That's what's going on here
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by Enginerrrd on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:59PM (#31103610)
I'm not sure that's true in general, nor even frequently. In fact, I'd say it's provably false in general.

The big issue is that you get MANY more curve-fitting parameters to play with if you use a piece-wise linear model vs. an exponential model. (You get to choose HOW MANY breaks to make, what the slope is for each section, and WHERE to make the breaks.)

So... Let's say you created some synthetic data using an underlying exponential plus a normally distributed random number. Obviously, the BEST predictive model is an exponential one. However, for any arbitrary number of observations, I guarantee you there's trivially at least one piece-wise linear model that will have less error than the exponential one. Consider the one that is simply a straight line between EVERY point. Obviously that has zero error compared to the exponential model. Yet, it has very little predictive power compared to the exponential model.

Now, that's not what was done here... but there's actually quite a few parameters in the form of where to make the breaks and how many to make. Doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by jasoncrawford on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:06PM (#31104211)
Good point.

The paper does cross-validate the models, and I am told that cross-validation properly penalizes overfitting with too many parameters… but I don't understand the statistics well enough here.

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by ajuc on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:15PM (#31103772)
For any sampled data you'll get guaranteed 100% fit by making it pieceways constant with N fragments where N=number of data points. It says nothing about the function you sampled, it's just a way to cheat by overfitting.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by Fomite on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:08PM (#31103024)
The dangerous bit is that an exponential curve will also be a fairly good fit for a logistic function that's not yet fully observed.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by LeegleechN on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:35PM (#31103335)
Every apparent exponential in the real universe must actually be a logistic or some other bounded curve.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by kbelder on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:51PM (#31104537)
Otherwise, we would have about a hundred trillion people infected with Covid by now.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by lumost on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:21PM (#31104326)
Except for the size of the Hubble volume /s

Cosmic inflation should guarantee an exponentially growing observable universe.

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by marcosdumay on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:58PM (#31105615)
Yes, and the one thing you expect on a logistic function is arguments about whether it's linear or exponential.

But with the amount of noise in economical data, I don't think is evidence of anything.

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by apolloartemis on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:09PM (#31102298)
True, fair point.

Yeah like the article mentions, they are basically making an analogy to the idea of “punctuated equilibrium” from evolutionary biology. Here’s a good exploration of how punctuated equilibrium works, vs the alternative which is called gradualism.

https://gvpress.com/journals/IJBSBT/vol3_no4/3.pdf

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by dredmorbius on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:58PM (#31102906)
NB: "Note that both of these charts are on a log scale."

Appears to apply to the two preceding linear-scale charts.

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by marcosdumay on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:55PM (#31105604)
With noise and enough segments, the linear functions can certainly fit better.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by adamsmith143 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:39PM (#31102683)
If you zoom in far enough every curve looks linear.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by mathieutd on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:46PM (#31102789)
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by bee_rider on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @08:17PM (#31104706)
> Henri Poincaré famously described them as "monsters" and called Weierstrass' work "an outrage against common sense", while Charles Hermite wrote that they were a "lamentable scourge".

I wonder if there is a really long compound German word for "an achievement whose greatness is best measured by the degree to which it disgusts experts in the field."

Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by foobarian on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:00PM (#31103625)
Heh. Reminds me of how gamers manage to find exploits to cheese speed runs while developers react in dismay.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by wardedVibe on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:06PM (#31105326)
Not a bad description of the history of analysis. Turns out function spaces are absolutely full of gross things that don't quite fit nicely into your theory.
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by apolloartemis on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:53PM (#31102852)
Wow that’s super cool, didn’t know about this
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by AlchemistCamp on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:33PM (#31103952)
Thank you :)
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by melling on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:30PM (#31103272)
I’ve heard this too. How is modeling as a piecewise linear function best done in practice?
Re:Is growth linear, not exponential? by adrianN on Thursday April 21, 2022 @02:52AM (#31106669)
You can also model almost anything as a piecewise exponential function.