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Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by j7ake on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:05AM (#31081596)
I would have thought that the pandemic and travel restrictions would have effectively “banned foreigners from buying homes” for 2 years.

If home prices haven’t fallen during pandemic, then the reason why prices are high is not because of foreigners.

The government is trying to point to a scapegoat rather than trying to get to the root cause.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by sbarre on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:36AM (#31081803)
The root cause in Canada is that a lot of the older generation, existing home owners, have put their investments in buying second or third homes as income properties, and for a lot of Canadians (I read that 1/3 of Canadian home owners have one or more additional properties) that's the nest egg now.

For years now homeowners have used HELOCs (Home Equity Line of Credit), to effectively 100% finance an additional home purchase by using the HELOC for the downpayment, and a mortgage for the rest.

This puts a lot of people in (very self-inflicted) financially precarious situations where they are counting on interest remaining low and the value of their investments going up in order to stay ahead of the payments.

Regardless of how we got here, due to this situation no government will screw all those people over just to "fix" things for those who haven't been able to get into that market yet.

It's a lose-lose.. Leave things the way they are, and you continue to price out an entire generation, which is a huge problem. Make a large corrective change to address this and you potentially force a huge amount of existing owners to sell investments at a loss and face financial distress, another huge problem.

Some folks say "too bad for them for getting so leveraged" but all they did was follow the advice given to them by the market, and follow the rules that our government put in place.

Anyways, it's a complicated problem. Foreign ownership certainly contributes to the problem but it's not the major factor. This is 100% a "for show" measure.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by stephencanon on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:46AM (#31081889)
> For years now homeowners have used HELOCs (Home Equity Line of Credit), to effectively 100% finance an additional home purchase by using the HELOC for the downpayment, and a mortgage for the rest. Banks hate this, but it's legal.

If banks actually hated it, they would simply not write the loan. Why do you think they hate it?

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by sbarre on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:55AM (#31081947)
Because it increases the risk of default.

I say "banks hate this" as unsubtle shorthand here. Obviously they don't hate it enough to refuse people additional mortgages (it's all secured by tangible assets at the end of the day) but they certainly aren't as happy about it as if people had a 20% downpayment in cash rather than pulling it from a line of credit.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by quickthrowman on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:09AM (#31082033)
> Because it increases the risk of default.

For who? Banks don’t hold mortgages on their books, they sell them to investors. I don’t think you understand how modern finance works.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by sbarre on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:54AM (#31082449)
Yeah I guess I am not trying to provide a super in-depth explanation of how finance works here, since that's not the topic we're discussing.

I am not a financial expert, but I have been told by professionals, and read in credible publications, that financing entities are not thrilled about the idea that people can effectively 100% finance additional home purchases using HELOCs, rather than having a cash downpayment.

That's the point I was making. My apologies for drawing an incorrect conclusion on the unrelated details.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by bombcar on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @01:22PM (#31086049)
100% financing is problematic mainly because the "owner" has zero incentive to not walk away if the house goes below purchase price even if they could afford to keep up the payments.

This puts the "bank" (read: bank and the investors the bank sold the loans to) in a precarious position, as a slight downturn in the market could result in a large percentage of loans defaulting.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by nameisname on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:22AM (#31082134)
Agreed. OP doesn't understand the situation.
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by BobbyJo on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:18AM (#31082112)
> all they did was follow the advice given to them by the market

The market doesn't give advice, it's risk and return. Don't take more risk than you can handle is investing 101. In any case, if the market is unsustainable (non-productive assets appreciating several times inflation is indeed unsustainable), these people are going to get screwed regardless. Either completely later, or almost completely now.

Maybe in the future, after the smoke settles, governments will be more wary of moral hazard. Probably not, but one can hope.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by sbarre on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:00AM (#31082500)
Yeah, my apologies for not spelling that out better, or using the wrong word here...

It was shorthand for "everyone else is doing it and having success, so lots of people jumped into the same boat to also make money"..

Advice was the wrong word, maybe "signal" or "momentum" would have been a better shorthand.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by quickthrowman on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:08AM (#31082029)
> For years now homeowners have used HELOCs (Home Equity Line of Credit), to effectively 100% finance an additional home purchase by using the HELOC for the downpayment, and a mortgage for the rest. Banks hate this, but it's legal.

Banks don’t care, they just sell the loan. If they cared, they wouldn’t write the loan! Cmon now.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by sbarre on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:56AM (#31082466)
I forget how pedantic HN can be.. You're the third comment to latch onto that one phrase in my overall comment, and it's not even that relevant to the topic being discussed.

My fault, I really should have phrased that differently.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by jowsie on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:08AM (#31081617)
From what I've read before, the issue isn't foreigners buying the homes to live in, it's foreigners using it as a way to move cash out of their own country to hedge against devaluation/government blocks. A lot of the houses don't even end up being rented out, they just sit vacant.
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by sandworm101 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:18AM (#31081691)
This. Too many canadian homes are sitting empty. Those who dont live in the country are less likely to actually live in the homes they buy. It is a hamfisted approach but at least they are trying something direct to address the vacancy issue, something other than moving money around.
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by xyst on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:19AM (#31081698)
This. Root cause is crappy city planning and design; and emphasis on single family housing development. Many cities across North America are designed with urban sprawl and car centric travel in mind. Pedestrian and alternative forms of transportation are a second class citizen despite the ability to move people more efficiently than cars will ever do.

Don’t get me wrong. Cars have their in place in society but their current role is overstated and NA city design shows it (massive parking lots, expensive housing).

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by TimPC on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @09:05AM (#31082551)
The root cause is a handful of cities winning and experiencing unreasonable growth they were never designed for. Winners grow at up to 300K people a year while losers shrink. Governments need to do more so that their national economies aren’t centred on a small handful of success stories. If there were twenty good cities in Canada, Toronto would be growing by 30K a year instead of 300K a year (pre-COVID).
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by raziel2p on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:35AM (#31082261)
European cities without the problems you've mentioned are struggling with the exact same housing crisis.
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by breakfastduck on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:30AM (#31081754)
This is literally nothing to do with it. It's to do with wealthy foreigners buying properties and leaving them empty basically to use as an 'asset' rather than a home.

London has this problem more than anywhere. Blocks full of purchased and empty while locals can't get a sniff.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by ryanbrunner on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:43AM (#31081860)
That is by no means the entirety of the housing problem in Canada. Foreign ownership is a very small part of the Canadian housing market, and with no other measures, Canadian investors will happily scoop up foreign owned properties. I doubt this by itself will make a significant dent in the market.

What we need is foreign ownership taxes / bans combined with heavy taxes on ownership of multiple single-family dwellings and townhouses.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by eps on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:33AM (#31081774)
Being from Vancouver and having witnessed with my own eyes mainland Chinese investors in suits on one-day visits driving around in tour buses and buying everything in sight - yeah, this clusterfuck is absolutely rooted in a torrent of Chinese money being parked in Canada.

The ban won't do much, obviously, but the cause is the foreign investments. 100%.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by refurb on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:45AM (#31081875)
For the hottest market in Canada, Vancouver, the hottest communities had single digit foreign ownership. That doesn't explain why Halifax, Nova Scotia has double in price.

But regardless, not sure why travel restrictions would matter. You don't need to see a house to buy it.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by Tiktaalik on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @11:46AM (#31084724)
This isn't true at all.

If any foreign buying stat looked single digit it was only because the metric was so broad so as to include areas where there was zero foreign buying interest.

The week the BC Liberals brought in the foreign buyer tax they had data in hand that showed foreign buying in Richmond and Burnaby was (going from memory here) between 15-20% of sales that period. Worth noting that at the time those areas were building lots of new builds so possible that the trend the government was concerned about was new build condo purchases being dominated by foreign capital. That's my speculation only. CoV proper I think was around 11%.

Globe and Mail articles on this issue from around 2016 call out some of the data and there are some startling numbers that make it clear why the government acted. Perhaps its available on some government website too I dunno.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by refurb on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:51PM (#31092266)
They never started collecting actual citizenship/residency data on house sales until a year or two ago. I remember one analysis out of UBC that assume foreign owner if they has a "foreign sounding name".

From what I've seen, some neighborhoods are high, but it's at the margin. Canadians snorfing up massive amounts of debt in order to acquire more property is a bigger driver.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by Tiktaalik on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:14PM (#31099154)
Yes around 2016 they finally started gathering real data and it was so remarkably high in certain areas they brought in the foreign buyer tax. It only took like a month of data before the government, which btw long dismissed that there was any problem, was convinced that there was a real problem.
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:09AM (#31081628)
Not at all, you can buy property remotely and you can in vest in clmpanies which buy properties on your behalf.

Trouble is that restricting foreign buyers is meaningless unless you also reign in corporate 'investment', as endless shell conpanies obscure the end benefactor

What you have to do is reign in buying houses as an investment by people who have no intention of ever living in them.

Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by OJFord on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:07AM (#31081609)
It's foreign investors they're concerned about, not second home holiday-makers and immigrants.
Re:Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years by actually_a_dog on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:07AM (#31081608)
This is primarily about foreign investors who are buying sight unseen, then leaving the homes vacant. Note the exception for permanent residences.