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Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by dazc on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:52AM (#31061704)
The problem with paying media/news sites is that you do get full access to content but that content is still stuffed with ads & trackers.

Being able to unsubscribe without any friction is also a bit of an issue.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by blamazon on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:47PM (#31062184)
>Being able to unsubscribe without any friction is also a bit of an issue.

For a while I was known amongst coworkers and friends as "that guy who will cancel or reduce your Boston Globe subscription fee for 10 bucks." They make you call during business hours and go through a whole guilt routine where a human tells you statements implying you'd be a bad person for missing out on important news and not supporting local journalism, followed by questions prompting you to justify why you want to exhibit these antisocial traits by canceling your subscription. Then, if you didn't yield to that tactic, they beg to reduce your cost to a promotional rate of first half off, then 90% off, for 6 months. Then, finally, you can cancel and the agent says goodbye in such a way as like you just stepped on a puppy. I never found a way to get the call center to go off this script. My 'clients', empathic and intellectual Bostonians, simply could not bear to partake in this shame and/or degradement of the Globe.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by euroderf on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:32PM (#31062545)
You made the mistake of engaging in their dialog. I find that what works is to simply keep repeating the phrase "I wish to cancel my subscription". When they ask you why you are canceling, and you repeat your phrase, they typically just say they are filling something in.

This single-mindedness unwillingness to engage in their dialog might be interpreted as rude. But then again, their scripting is absolutely exploiting your unwillingness to be rude. Screw that.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by dazc on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:55PM (#31062754)
You also run the risk that they will just hang up on you. Nobody gets a bonus for letting you go.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by euroderf on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:26AM (#31068797)
That has not happened to me. I think an incentive for the agent might be, if it's clear you want out, they can save some time and get their calls-handled number up, by cutting out the pseudo-engagement malarkey.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by blamazon on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @02:26PM (#31086907)
My experience with the Globe seemed to indicate the agents were being graded on how many script points they hit, not on the calls-handled-per-minute. If you think about them as a defense from bleeding subscribers this makes sense. Spending 10 minutes to attempt to save a year of recurring subscription is a good deal. You don't want the agents to be efficient and handle many calls per hour.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by dazc on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:54PM (#31062739)
Unsubscribe as a Service, you could be onto something there?
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by blamazon on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:02PM (#31062813)
I believe folks are operating in this general type of space, not sure if any are doing phone interface though. I think Truebill offers some kind of Unsubscribe+ for certain compatible services.

I am aware of Trim, [1,2] which has an interesting proposition. You give it your comcast type login and it pretends to be you in a support chat window. Then it repeatedly attempts to secure a reduced rate. If it succeeds, you pay Trim a portion of the long term cost savings.

[1]: https://www.asktrim.com/blog/trim-a-money-saving-chatbot-rai...

[2]: https://www.asktrim.com/

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by somedude895 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:15PM (#31062429)
After trialing the Economist and WSJ and both times having to go through all that bullshit to cancel, I'm never going to subscribe to any US publication ever again. I've never experienced anything like that with EU publishers.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by openknot on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:25PM (#31062503)
The French newspaper Le Monde in France requires a printout of a cancellation form sent via physical mail with tracking to unsubscribe, even if the subscription is digital-only.

From their terms [0]: "Unless otherwise stipulated in the Special Conditions, the cancellation of a Subscription must be sent by registered letter with acknowledgement of receipt to the Customer Service department.

"A Customer who wishes to terminate their contract must print out (or copy on plain paper):

- For a digital subscription, the cancellation form is available here

- For a paper subscription or a mixed subscription (paper + digital), the form is available here

Cancellations received by Le Monde before the 15th of the month will take effect at the end of that month. Cancellations received after the 15th of the month will take effect at the end of the following month.:"

Back when the UK was in the EU, I also had to call long-distance to British newspapers to unsubscribe.

It's the same for many Canadian and US subscriptions. It's not cultural, it's common practice by newspapers. The best way to protect oneself consumer is to carefully read cancellation terms before subscribing to any newspaper or periodical and purchase subscriptions through Apple's App Store if you own an Apple device (as it lets you cancel without hassle) when you can.

[0] https://moncompte.lemonde.fr/cgv-en#ancre_engagement

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by kgermino on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:42PM (#31062627)
Isn’t The Economist a UK publication?

Though I guess that isn’tEU anymore either

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by awinter-py on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:08PM (#31061856)
yeah it should be illegal to ad / track users who have paid

given how crappy the ads ecosystem has become to browsers, if I'm paying for something, I want out of all of that

legislation should make a bright line here. I don't want to see an ad in a taxi, on an airplane, in the dentist's office, and certainly not if I've paid for nyt

maybe carve out limited 1st party tracking, maybe not

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by teddyh on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:44PM (#31062153)
> it should be illegal to ad / track users who have paid

It should be illegal to ad / track users, period. Oh hello GDPR, I didn’t see you there.