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Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by zeristor on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:55AM (#31059525)
There must be evidence of DNA mixing, so many people being moved so far must have left a genetic trace.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by hef19898 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:36AM (#31059650)
There is in Iceland. As Vikings used to be active slavers a lot of women from northern France and the British isles ended up there. Partially due to the fact that Vikings, the raiders from Scandinavia and not all Scandinavians, were male dominated. Up to this day women in Iceland have a large degree of DNA from tjose regions, while men are as close to pure blood Vikings as you can probably be.

One of the things discovered in the grnomr sequencing project that was conductef in Iceland.

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by ransom1538 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @07:07AM (#31060017)
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by nanis on Sunday April 17, 2022 @07:55AM (#31060245)
From the very same Wikipedia article:

> The label "Turkish" does not refer to Turkey; at the time it was a general term for all Muslims in the Mediterranean region since the majority were a part of the Ottoman Empire. During the 17th century, the majority of those called "Turks" in Algeria, were disowned Christians that had converted to Islam. They were mostly Spanish, Italians, and provençaux (French).

In my experience, most "Western" understanding of European history evolved in the last millennium is completely bereft of the recognition that it was influenced by a heavyweight to their East.

Why did Columbus sail west? Why were the Portuguese going around the horn of Africa to get to Asia?

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by hardlianotion on Sunday April 17, 2022 @09:57AM (#31060844)
That seems a little weird to me as a non-specialist. I had the impression that people take DNA in roughly equal mix from both parents, irrespective of sex.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by legolas2412 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:13AM (#31061392)
Mitochondrial DNA comes from mother only. And Y chromosome only from father
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by dudeinjapan on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:59AM (#31059538)
The Barbary pirates routinely castrated their slaves, precluding them from doing much DNA mixing.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by barry-cotter on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:31AM (#31059629)
Source? Castration had very high mortality and I’m not aware of any historical slave trade where it was routinely done.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by dudeinjapan on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:55AM (#31059728)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Musl...

"Castration: A fair proportion of male slaves were imported as eunuchs... in practice, emasculation was frequent"

(and yes, it did also carry a high rate of death.)

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by biorach on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:29AM (#31060387)
that text doesn't appear on that page. and that's a very generalised statement covering a long period of time and wide area.

My understanding was that adults were rarely castrated, rather boys from certain regions were targeted (I believe boys from modern Sudan were preferred by the Ottomans)

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by ttyprintk on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:08AM (#31060918)
It appears on my version of that page.

But, this is such a well-documented aspect of Ottoman slavery that it doesn’t depend on any particular Wikipedia page.

This was known to be full-on castration.

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by hef19898 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:30PM (#31063041)
The Barbary pirates weren't Ottomans so. They traded with them and, if memory serves well, operated under Ottoman sponsorship at times.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by dudeinjapan on Friday April 22, 2022 @10:47AM (#31122221)
Then they knew how their customers expected their goods delivered!
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by mda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:44PM (#31063756)
Rulers of Barbary pirates, famous ex corsair Ottoman chief admiral Barbaros Hayreddin, his brother Oruc were Ottoman.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by mda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:29PM (#31063594)
This statement is doubtful. There were castrated slaves (Eunuchs) but were they mostly sold by Barbary pirates? Not really.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by zeristor on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:04AM (#31059552)
Yikes.

But didn’t they also take female slaves too, some being concubines?

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by dudeinjapan on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:03AM (#31059769)
Yes, certainly, they raided European coastal villages. But AFAIK the majority of captives would have come from captured merchant ships, which were exclusively men. The pirates weren't so into keeping accurate records.
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by ransom1538 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @07:08AM (#31060022)
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by swayvil on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:49AM (#31061222)
Do something similar to their brain and you'd have a ... Mentat?

It opens up so much possibility. Modified humans as household/industrial appliances.

Tomorrow's XBox might be your genetically tweaked second cousin.

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by sct202 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:24AM (#31059845)
Jan Janszoon a Dutch born man who was captured by the Barbary pirates and then became one has a fairly well documented life, and at least 2 of his children moved to New Amsterdam. Cornelius Vanderbilt is a descendent. This is one of his son's wikis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Janszoon_van_Salee
Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by alcover on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:45AM (#31059931)
Fascinating question.

Wildly speculating, I'd suppose european concubines were very much sought after by slavers and their 'customers'. And even more so blonds and redheads for their 'exotism'.

Now some Algerians look very european. You can even see redheads, though I remember redheadness appeared independantly in Europe and the Levant I think.

Re:Barbary Pirates and English Slaves (2017) by inglor_cz on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:57AM (#31059971)
The indigenous people of North Africa are Berbers, and many Berbers have lighter complexion and hair.

The same was true about the Guanche, who used to inhabit the Canary Islands before their Spanish conquest. They were "whiter" than the Spanish who conquered them.