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Re:DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its S... by amelius on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:32PM (#31047720)
How do we know these privacy claims are true? What if Kagi was Chinese or Russian, would you still trust it and why? And how do we know Kagi doesn't end up the same way as DDG?
Re:DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its S... by freediver on Saturday April 16, 2022 @10:26AM (#31052588)
(Kagi dev here)

Kagi is privately owned US corporation.

> And how do we know Kagi doesn't end up the same way as DDG?

Being a paid service means Kagi's incentives are very different. Instead of selling your data or profiting from feeding into ad-tech food chain, we are interested in selling you a subscription. This changes everything as the number one thing in Kagi's universe becomes what the users want, different to DDG, Google and other ad-supported search engines.

> How do we know these privacy claims are true?

Sadly I can not think of a way to verify them (let me know if you have one). But most plainly, we have no incentive or reason to do otherwise. Note that the only private information Kagi asks of the user is an email address, need to create an account, and those concerned can use whatever email they want.

Re:DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its S... by amelius on Saturday April 16, 2022 @12:14PM (#31053510)
Thanks for the explanation.

> But most plainly, we have no incentive or reason to do otherwise.

One reason is: to improve your services. Other reasons could appear over time.

> Sadly I can not think of a way to verify them (let me know if you have one).

The privacy claims could be verified by recurring external audits.

Re:DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its S... by freediver on Saturday April 16, 2022 @02:13PM (#31054640)
> The privacy claims could be verified by recurring external audits.

Not in reality. Nothing prevents a bad player from misusing user data once an audit is done. External audit would only be a good cover.

Re:DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its S... by gwinsyth on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:38AM (#31060433)
One way for Kagi to have more incentives for privacy of their users would be moving to EU where there laws much more stricter.
Re:DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its S... by pessimizer on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:34PM (#31047740)
I trust Yandex more than I trust Google, because Yandex doesn't give a shit about me. I'd certainly use an English-language Chinese search engine.