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Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by duskwuff on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @04:02PM (#3100080)
If you're sufficiently crazy to trust your data to a Backblaze pod, you're probably going to go full retard and use desktop disks anyway. If you cared about your data you probably wouldn't be building one of these things in the first place. :)

Also: depends what you're considering "pro drives", but enterprise SATA 3TB disks are in the $250 - $300 range -- about 2x the price of a similar consumer-grade disk.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by driverdan on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @06:22PM (#3100636)
Next time read the articles before commenting. Had you read it (and Backblaze's original) you'd understand why they went with consumer drives.
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by imaginator on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @06:13PM (#3100594)
Has anyone done any research to find a difference between "desktop" drives and "enterprise/pro" drives? I'm inclined to believe it's marketing speak and targeted at the same people that buy electron-aligned speaker cable.
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by wazoox on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @03:08AM (#3101832)
Actually the difference is only in firmware; each drive is tested when reaching the end of the factory line, and the test results decide if it'll be desktop or enterprise. So physically the only difference is the label.

Different brands makes the separation more or less clear : WD desktop drives firmwares are explicitly crippled to be made almost unusable in RAID arrays (on the web and forums you'll find countless horror stories of lost arrays); Seagate and Hitachi desktop drives work about OK in RAID arrays, but you may have surprises at times.

So what's the difference? First, the desktop drive assumes to be alone. In case of a read or write error, it will try and retry to access the data for several long minutes (long timeout). Pro drives assume to be in RAID arrays, in case of an error they fail almost immediately not to block any outstanding IOs to the array.

Another difference is in vibration compensation. Desktop drive don't use their movement detectors to compensate from drive-induced chassis vibration, which in case of high IO will significantly reduce throughput by augmenting error rate.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by bradfa on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @08:10AM (#3102588)
If you (or someone you know) has a write up detailing these statements and tests showing them to be true, I'd be very interested in reading more about this. Please do share.

It sounds like what you're saying makes sense, from a drive business and manufacturing perspective.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by wazoox on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @10:02AM (#3102955)
> If you (or someone you know) has a write up detailing these statements and tests showing them to be true, I'd be very interested in reading more about this. Please do share.

This is NDA information :) I'm repeating what I've heard from drive makers and my experience after setting up several thousands of RAID systems. I didn't made tests recently, but vibrations can kill an array performance. I've seen a chassis where the central drive slot (among 24) wasn't usable because it vibrated more than the others :)

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by wmf on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @06:21PM (#3100631)
The difference between desktop and nearline SATA is basically TLER and warranty. Nearline SAS adds dual ports, maybe better ECC, and maybe better IOPS.
Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by moe on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @06:36PM (#3100691)
If you cared about your data you probably wouldn't be building one of these things in the first place.

This seems a bit off considering Backblaze demonstrates right here that you can care about your data and your budget at the same time.

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by nobody314159 on Wednesday October 12, 2011 @12:25AM (#3101499)
Backblaze don't build 'one' of thes e- their whole philosophy is to build very cheap storage and duplicate.

If you are going to use high-end 'pro' drives then wouldn't you just buy a high-end enterprise grade SAN anyway?

Re:135 Terabytes for $12,000 by serverascode on Tuesday October 11, 2011 @06:02PM (#3100524)
AFAIK 3TB SAS drives, of which there's only Hitachi and Seagate I believe, cost about $320 CDN. ;)

I use that number to figure out how much enterprise storage chassis actually cost by subtracting the number of disks * $320. :)