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Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by lokimedes on Sunday April 10, 2022 @08:57AM (#30976575)
Now that is indeed a profound insight on what is deemed intelligence. If the “Observer” in unable to comprehend the article objectives of the subjects, how will the fulfillment of the objectives ever be recognized as intelligence? Decades ago, I read some article on how people with more than 30 IQ points of separation, effectively were incomprehensible to each other. Whether it is true or not, it also highlights a fallacy that the superior intellect can somehow “emulate/simulate” the lesser, and thereby understand the person.
Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by csa on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:53PM (#30979685)
> Decades ago, I read some article on how people with more than 30 IQ points of separation, effectively were incomprehensible to each other.

It’s more like “fundamentally perceive the world in a different way”, and generally leads to a lack of empathy towards the other group due to this difference of perception.

This is one reason why, at least until recently, US generals were not known for their high IQ.

Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by 0des on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:56PM (#30979726)
A lot of marriages are this way and do fine. A diverse but comprehensive worldview is helpful when operating as a singular unit. You can be smart and ignorant at the same time in some ways, and that's okay.
Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by trmonx on Sunday April 10, 2022 @05:45PM (#30982037)
No they are not, most marriages are not between people with that different IQ. Most people are not that different even. What a weird thing to say.
Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by csa on Sunday April 10, 2022 @10:59PM (#30984091)
> lack of empathy towards

This should be:

… inability to empathize with…

Poor wording on my part.

Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by tough on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:28PM (#30978658)
If you have a high IQ, you can get high and wasted and lower it temporarily.

No way to do that the other way around.

Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by mlyle on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:42PM (#30978812)
Temporarily becoming intoxicated doesn't fix this.

If your IQ is very high or very low, you likely have not spent a whole lot of time practicing things and pursuing things that typical people have. So the shared social language and thread of common experience that people depend upon to relate is limited.

Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by NateEag on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:08PM (#30979126)
Not temporary, but IIRC muy mother's measured IQ went up by twenty points when she learned how ratios work.
Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by bckr on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:43PM (#30978826)
Hmm, I think it's possible to raise your IQ by practicing and applying certain thinking strategies. Especially given that IQ is an artificial measure of intelligence.
Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by tough on Sunday April 10, 2022 @05:08PM (#30981729)
Like any target, when it becomes a target, ceases to be a good measure. But I remember some of the parts. most where pattern matching. or memory retention.

Most humans cannot get better at this easily at least. You can always try...

On working memory, I think the average is 7, or something like that, Try to remember a number in inversed order and see if you get past that to 9-10 that´s pretty hard to learn too

I remember the day our class was asked about a dice. I was the only know that knew by observation the response to which number was under the dice not being visible.

PS They always add up to seven

YMMV

Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by Alan_Dillman on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:45PM (#30982490)
Except when they don't.

I had dice as a kid that did not follow this rule.

Re:How Intelligent Are Cats? (2004) by Ancapistani on Monday April 11, 2022 @12:08PM (#30990796)
Huh.

I now want to take a standardized IQ test, three times - once with sober, once mildly intoxicated by cannabis, and as intoxicated as possible while still being able to focus on the questions.

I'm very confident that the time it would take me to answer a given question would increase about linearly with my level of intoxication, but I'm not at all confident that I would arrive at a different conclusion.