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Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by charles_f on Saturday April 09, 2022 @10:35PM (#30973998)
What are the pains of using Jira and confluence?
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by karaterobot on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:23AM (#30974459)
Here's one that bothers me.

If you use Jira to track sprints, and you want to view the previous sprint, how would you expect to do it? I don't mean a sprint from 5 years ago, I mean the one from last week. Let's say you want to view stories that didn't get completed last sprint, or you just want to see what happened because you're doing a retrospective. How would you expect to go about this in a mature product for which your organization pays money?

You might say "well, there's probably a button on the current sprint that lets you go back in time to the last sprint. Like, some form of pagination. Or, maybe you can even set a date on a calendar and see the active sprint during that date. That would be cool."

According to Atlassian's support forum, there is "no way to currently do this"[1].

[1] https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Jira-Software-questions/H...

You can approximate it by building a custom query, or going into a reporting dashboard (if you have access). You shouldn't need to.

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by mustyoshi on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:37AM (#30974503)
I'm able to view previous sprints for a board by going to the reports tab on the left sidebar.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by phkx on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:42AM (#30974528)
There’s something hidden in the sprint reports. One of the different views there let‘s you see the stories from any previous sprint. Not sure whether it reflects the state of the stories as of that sprint, though.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by kstrauser on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:31PM (#30974264)
Confluence supported Markdown (or was it HTML? It’s been a long time.). We wrote a lot of automation that would pull comments out of code, format them that way, and load them into Confluence. Voila! Documentation that’s always synced with production code.

And then a point upgrade removed that support in favor of their own rich text format, so in an instant all our tooling died. We were not happy campers.

I have other thoughts about Jira: https://honeypot.net/post/jira-is-a-code-smell/

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by hobos_delight on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:55AM (#30985167)
It wasn't a point upgrade - Confluence 4.0 got rid of markdown in favour of an "XHTML" storage format, then a layer on the editor to autocomplete markdown into the rich-text as you typed.

Personally I preferred the ability to edit pages as markdown, and we toyed with ways to allow users to edit the rich pages in markdown (i.e. a new transformer from the storage format to wiki-markup, instead of the editor format) - but it wasn't possible to not come up with a diverging solution for the transformations here (at the time, given the time we had spent on it).

Whilst we copped a lot of flack from the die-hard Confluence users when this was done, the vast majority of users liked the change. Also from a different angle, this was a really fun time at Atlassian - we had run out of space in the CornX (office at the time) so we had leased the floors above the pub next door (The Dundee Arms), and there were five of us in there, all with out machines crammed around a single table in this tiny room. Good times.

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by kstrauser on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:49PM (#30992329)
It was a death knell for us. We moved all our documentation into Git, which the devs found more convenient and usable. I think there might’ve been some survival bias: the people who kept using it after the breaking change liked it. The people who dropped it immediately because it ruined their workflows just moved on (or put it in read-only mode).
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by hobos_delight on Monday April 11, 2022 @06:52PM (#30996161)
Oh completely agree regarding the survival bias - I think the over-arching plan was to make it more accessible to more than just dev teams, and it seems to have worked. "Like MS Word" was thrown around a bit.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by pragmatic on Saturday April 09, 2022 @10:59PM (#30974114)
Confluence content is write only.

Good luck finding it ever again unless you know exactly what you are looking for.

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by boyter on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:39AM (#30974703)
So much so I wrote a app that I used for finding things in my own confluence and then released as a marketplace application.

You can mitigate the issues in the search if you are organise your content well but the search is still deficient in other ways.

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by zemo on Saturday April 09, 2022 @10:59PM (#30974110)
Jira requires a person to tailor it to your org. It can be pretty good if you have people who configure it correctly and have a workflow that suits your team/org, but that's kinda the problem: making Jira be good is a full time job. Confluence is just a terrible experience overall. Terrible editing, terrible browsing, terrible search. I've used both at multiple orgs, I've seen Jira be good, I've never seen Confluence be good.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by d3nj4l on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:03PM (#30974131)
Yeah, same experience here. Confluence is just dogshit: the only positive thing I can say about it is that it's better as a wiki than using Google Drive with Docs, which can memory hole even faster if it's not set up correctly.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by lostdog on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:21PM (#30974216)
Put a sleep(60000) in every request of your own webapp and it will still be more responsive than JIRA.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by redisman on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:37AM (#30974700)
Terrible UX and performance so it’s extremely frustrating to use.

I’ve used JIRA in 3 companies and it was always the worst piece of software I had to interact with. Now we just use Github issues and their “Projects beta” and it’s a huge improvement. Engineer first workflow rather than optimized for creating some pseudo insightful views for useless managers

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by lifthrasiir on Saturday April 09, 2022 @10:39PM (#30974019)
Slow, complex (in terms of feature), painful (in terms of UX)---pick any three.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by WantonQuantum on Saturday April 09, 2022 @10:50PM (#30974070)
Inconsistent user experience between the products. “Oh this is Jira so I can’t use those formatting options that I use in confluence.”
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by chrisweekly on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:13PM (#30974185)
It's worse than that; even within Jira the editing contexts are completely inconsistent. And the cache behavior is apparently nondeterministic. It boggles my mind that such awful UX is tolerated in software used in so many companies. It's like Atlassian put all its eggs in the "crack the enterprise sales code" basket, met wild success, and that was all they were capable of. If my job required me to work in Confluence and Jira all day I'd change my job or my career.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by dzhiurgis on Saturday April 09, 2022 @10:58PM (#30974105)
Rage inducing formatting
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by RachelF on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:05PM (#30974146)
Trello is also terrible software. It's basically a web interface for agile post-it notes.

Compared to decent project management software it has almost no project management features.

Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by viraptor on Sunday April 10, 2022 @03:48AM (#30975189)
That's exactly what Trello is though - boards of cards. Do not expect the usual project management features from it.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by charles_f on Monday April 11, 2022 @07:03PM (#30996282)
This is a funny one. People usually give all the rage to Jira because it's so complex, and Trello because it's post-its. I feel like there's no good middle-ground, people are gonna hate one or the other
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by N4der on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:26PM (#30974240)
can you give me a good project management software to use? alternative to Trello.
Re:Atlassian products have been down for 4 days by higeorge13 on Sunday April 10, 2022 @11:36PM (#30984326)
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