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Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by jdrc on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:41AM (#30919629)
I sympathize but very rich people owning the media never ends well
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by memish on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @11:20AM (#30920150)
Who owns the media and big tech now??? It's not poor people!

At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech. Which is good for us poors. Twitter and the national discourse will be objectively better for working class voices as a result. Less so for the gatekeepers and media elite commentariat.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by chollida1 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:43PM (#30921309)
> At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech

Tell that to the people who released valid short research on Tesla.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by rplnt on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:13PM (#30920864)
> At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech.

He believes in his free speech. Maybe. Definitely not when it comes to people who work for him or people that criticize him.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by sillysaurusx on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:56PM (#30921518)
What evidence is there of this?

Honestly this thread has been pushing me more towards the Musk camp, which I didn't think was possible. But not one person seems to be able to point to specific, concrete criticisms with references.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by rplnt on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:28PM (#30922011)
I mean, it's covered enough in media.

e.g.: https://www.businessinsider.com/free-speech-absolutist-elon-...

His reactions towards criticism (like harassing or banning journalist criticizing Tesla, or that whole fiasco with his submarine) are always well covered too. And while it's not exactly suppressing free speech, that level of pettiness doesn't look too good.

Also, how is this pushing you towards the Musk camp? (The fact that there's such thing, and there is, is troubling on its own)

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by psyc on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:43PM (#30921294)
If you believe every free speech proponent secretly means speech they like, you may be projecting. To be fair, I may also be projecting.
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by rc_mob on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:43PM (#30921303)
Elon Musk definitely does not believe in free speech that criticizes Elon Musk.
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by shmde on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @11:58AM (#30920634)
> At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech.

Yes thats exactly why he was willing to shell out 50,000$ to a kid to remove his flight tracking bot.

Stop licking his boot.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by sebzim4500 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:26PM (#30921052)
The kid asked for $50k, Elon said no, which is why the bot is still up. In any case, paying someone to shut up is no violating their free speech.
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by srveale on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:39PM (#30921213)
Neither is a private company deciding what they will allow on their platform
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by memish on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:09PM (#30920798)
Nice projection. Who is licking the boots here?

1. Those who back authoritarian style censorship conducted in opaque fashion

2. Those who back free speech and transparency

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by dlp211 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:53PM (#30921473)
Yes, I too can't wait for the entire internet to be 4chan.

There is no such thing as absolute free speech and I have no idea where you all are coming up with this idea. By definition, absolute free speech cannot exist because your speech ends where mine begins. Free speech does not mean free from moderation or consequences and criticisms, both are forms of speech themselves. There is no authoritarian censorship going on here.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by krapp on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:01PM (#30921603)
>There is no such thing as absolute free speech and I have no idea where you all are coming up with this idea.

As with so many plagues on American society and current political discourse, this came from Trump supporters, specifically angry at being banned from social media platforms for hate speech and disinformation, and suddenly deciding that rules and social consequences for their behavior were a violation of their civil rights. The attempt to redefine free speech is part of a movement to impugn social media platforms as engaging in widespread politically motivated suppression of free speech, with the implication they need to be forced by law to host the kind of content they would otherwise refuse to.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by MockObject on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:02PM (#30921614)
> absolute free speech

This is a strawman argument, that nobody seriously proposed.

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by arjun_krishna1 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:13PM (#30920859)
Ummm... This is still up? https://twitter.com/ElonJet
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by sixQuarks on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:06PM (#30920759)
Oh wow, what a great example. You have totally changed my mind. /s
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by syshum on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:33PM (#30922984)
Offering someone $50K to stop doing something == Free Association and Free Market

Advocating Totalitarian controls via Terms of Service, and/or Government !== Free Association

Come back when it attempts to have Twitter ban this persons account, then you may have a case, offering an monetary incentive for someone to change their behavior is not censorship in any form.

Stop being a tool

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by ariedro on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:43AM (#30919668)
Because that wasn't happening in the first place?
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by Loughla on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:53AM (#30919796)
What does that matter? The original question was:

>I sympathize but very rich people owning the media never ends well

How does the history of the ultra-wealthy controlling the narrative in media for their own gain change that statement?

Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by jdrc on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:45AM (#30919704)
The comparable cases are Bezos & Zuck, the parallel is Berlusconi. Yes it's all scary
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by jpadkins on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:28PM (#30923754)
isn't by definition that very rich people own the media? Or was there a time period where the media wasn't very profitable and the people who owned them weren't very rich?
Re:Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors by jdrc on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:57AM (#30930276)
i think not. before bezos, elon and zuck they were not owned by the richest-of-the-rich.