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Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by pjc50 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:02AM (#30917914)
> Nuclear canceled by the Green Party

.. after Fukushima. Trading one tail risk for another.

(Germany has oddly lagged in deploying renewables, though. Possibly due to lack of offshore sites, meaning that wind farms have to be deployed against the efforts of NIMBYs)

Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by majewsky on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:11AM (#30917980)
After Fukushima, nuclear was canceled by the conservatives (the Merkel II government), when the Green Party was not part of the government. The Green Party did cancel nuclear, but in the year 2000. Their timeline called for the shutdown of the last nuclear power plants in the 2020s, which would have been ample time to build up enough replacement capacity from renewables. But that plan was neutered by the Merkel governments crippling the buildup of renewables for 16 years.

Which is not to say there's not also NIMBYism. There is in fact a ton of opposition to buildup of renewables from both conservative-leaning citizens and left/green-leaning advocacy groups.

Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by piokoch on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:25AM (#30918104)
"After Fukushima" is the funniest part of this. Baltic and North seas are well known from their gigantic tsunami waves.
Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by kuschku on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:44AM (#30918255)
German Nuclear plants are usually on rivers, and as we’ve seen in the past year, those can have huge floods destroying everything around. You don’t want your nuclear plant’s backup generators to look like Ahrweiler.
Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by pvaldes on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:11PM (#30922686)
If you think that tsunamis are funny you will love the concept of melting ice in the arctic messing with all the sea currents. That would be hilarious (except for the humans, of course).
Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by raverbashing on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:26AM (#30918108)
> .. after Fukushima. Trading one tail risk for another.

We don't stop flying after planes get into an accident. We evaluate and improve our designs and controls

But with nuclear with go with knee-jerk reaction for some reason

Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by blywi on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:04AM (#30919111)
There's more to the story than that.

The last German government before Merkel came to power, was a coalition between the Green party and the Social-Democrats (SPD), this government decided to phase-out nuclear power in Germany in favor of renewable energy by limiting the running time of existing nuclear power plants.

The next German government was a coalition between conservative CDU under Merkel and SPD, and the nuclear phase-out remained untouched.

But when Merkel won the federal elections a second time and was able to form a coalition with the Liberal-Democrats (FDP) replacing of the SPD as a coalition partner, who had voted in favor of the nuclear phase-out, they decided to cancel the nuclear phase-out.

This happened in the autumn of 2010 and was a controversial decision for the public opinion. When Fukushima happened half year later it was widely seen as a confirmation of the inherent risks of nuclear energy and thus the Green party’s energy politics, not because Germany is especially prone to Tsunamis, but because it showed that it's impossible to rule out and plan for every possible dangerous situation in advance, and that even a high-tech country like Japan, on a comparable technical level to Germany, was not able to stop the meltdowns.

Elections in federal states shortly after Fukushima resulted in a landslide loss for Merkel's CDU and big wins for the Green party, the CDU losing one of its stronghold states [1] it had before held constantly for 58 years.

As far as I remember Merkel foresaw the public reaction and almost immediately after Fukushima voiced out in favor of reversing the cancelation of the nuclear phase-out, but could only get a solid backing in her party, after the losses in the federal state elections.

[1] https://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/-fukushima-strahlt-bis-baden-wu...

Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by jaywalk on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:57AM (#30918371)
> But with nuclear with go with knee-jerk reaction for some reason

That reason is propaganda. The anti-nuclear people use anything they can to whip people up into an irrational frenzy whenever anything happens, and it has worked pretty well.

Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by cjrp on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:32AM (#30918169)
Surely Germany's a big enough (and sparsely-populated enough) country that wind farms can go somewhere without complaint?
Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by sascha_sl on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:51AM (#30918317)
It's an ongoing joke that a mandate to place wind farms 2km from populated areas left no space at for wind farms in that state.

It's not actually sparsely populated at all.

Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by kijin on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @09:29AM (#30918713)
Germany is about 15% smaller than California, but with more than twice the population. Not exactly what I'd call "sparsely populated".
Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by maxhille on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:06AM (#30929270)
As a German who loves hiking, let me tell you that you can not go more than 5kms without hitting a village, town or highway anywhere in this country. I am truly envious of having wilderness around like in the US or northern Scandinavia.
Re:Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:11AM (#30917983)
>.. after Fukushima. Trading one tail risk for another.

The statistical risks from nuclear actually causing a disaster are absolutely tiny in comparison, especially considering the upsides, but the Germans and Austrians want to be EU's nuclear doomers for shits and giggles just because Chernobyl and Fukushima happened, even though so many nuclear plants worldwide have run for decades without issue.

But sucking on the sweeet teat of Putin's gas for decades and burning it was the "greener" alternative for them instead.