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Re:In Defense of Bitcoin Maximalism by JumpCrisscross on Friday April 01, 2022 @10:40AM (#30878491)
> differ from other commodities trading

It doesn’t. Trading is zero sum. It supports the extraction, processing and delivery of useful things, however, which is positive sum.

Re:In Defense of Bitcoin Maximalism by someguydave on Friday April 01, 2022 @11:29AM (#30879172)
Trading is only zero sum at an instant in time and space. Moving or holding commodities can change the sum of the trade.
Re:In Defense of Bitcoin Maximalism by JumpCrisscross on Friday April 01, 2022 @11:37AM (#30879275)
> Trading is only zero sum at an instant in time and space. Moving or holding commodities can change the sum of the trade.

Trading between financial participants is, cetiris paribus, always zero sum. Irrespective of the timeline.

Buyer's gains are the seller's opportunity cost; buyer's losses were avoided by the seller. (Paribus violation is when parties have different funding costs.)

Moving commodities around isn't trading per se; it's logistics. Again, value adding.

Re:In Defense of Bitcoin Maximalism by someguydave on Friday April 01, 2022 @11:48AM (#30879446)
>Trading between financial participants is, cetiris paribus, always zero sum.

Only if you consider the trade in the quantity of the goods traded, and not in a prevailing unit of accounting.

Re:In Defense of Bitcoin Maximalism by JumpCrisscross on Friday April 01, 2022 @11:50AM (#30879463)
> Only if you consider the trade in the quantity of the goods traded, and not in a prevailing unit of accounting

Nope, this is microeconomics. If you and I have the same funding costs and we trade a commodity derivative, any gain you have is a gain I gave up. Any loss you have is one I avoided.

This is true irrespective of the unit of account of point in time at which one measures it; it's an identity. The only

Re:In Defense of Bitcoin Maximalism by someguydave on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:11AM (#30931567)
You are carefully defining the word “trading” to meet a narrow academic category which excludes many cases normal people consider integral to “trading”.

Someone who buys wheat, holds it and sells it the next day is definitely not “trading”, he merely engages in a series of discrete trades? Daft.