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Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by minwcnt5 on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:19PM (#30857302)
Nah, your understanding is incorrect. I've used it in Phoenix and it goes places a bus wouldn't like residential culdesacs and parking lots (whithin the geofence).
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by airstrike on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:51PM (#30858507)
> like residential culdesacs and parking lots

Literally the two easiest places it could go into

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by treesprite82 on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @03:33PM (#30859807)
Lower stakes because of the speed, but a lot of special cases. Higher chance of pedestrians and parked cars in the road for both. Parking lots will have a lot of cars moving in atypical ways, and markings aren't as standardized as on roads.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by airstrike on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @04:04PM (#30860123)
Sure, but at 5mph everything is easier
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by dane-pgp on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @04:18PM (#30860264)
Sure a computer can beat an expert human at chess, but get back to me when it can beat an expert go player.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by airstrike on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @05:03PM (#30860742)
Self-driving is not even on the same scale of complexity as a board game. The latter is an inherently digital problem, easy to parse and not played in “real time”
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by dane-pgp on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @06:57PM (#30861887)
> The latter is an inherently digital problem, easy to parse and not played in “real time”

So people should have been able to correctly predict how easy it would be for a computer to master go, right?

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by airstrike on Thursday March 31, 2022 @02:36PM (#30870736)
People's inability to accurately assess how easy an inherently easy problem is has no bearing on people's inability to accurately assess how hard an inherently hard problem is.

Said differently, I start from the assumption that some problems are obviously easy, some problems are obviously hard, and every other problem is somewhere in the middle. Self-driving is in the "obviously hard" bucket. Feel free to argue for where you think Go sits in the spectrum, but I would argue no board game is in the "obviously hard" bucket

Hard and easy defined as the ability to solve in a reasonable amount of time with the algorithms and computational models we have today or in the near future -- regardless of ~marginally increasing processing power.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by dane-pgp on Thursday March 31, 2022 @11:22PM (#30874860)
> People's inability to accurately assess how easy an inherently easy problem is has no bearing on people's inability to accurately assess how hard an inherently hard problem is.

Really? It seems to me that if people over-estimated the difficulty of an "easy" problem like mastering go, then they're even more likely to over-estimate the difficulty of a hard problem like self-driving. In fact, the over-estimation could scale up faster than linearly, if estimating two problems of size X is easier than estimating one problem of size 2X.

> with the algorithms and computational models we have today or in the near future

That's the thing. When predictions were being made about the difficulty of mastering go, people didn't have the algorithms and computational models that we have today. Similarly, predictions made today about the progress of self-driving cars may be lacking critical information about the algorithms and computational models that will be available in the near future.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by tuatoru on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @10:20PM (#30863187)
Get back to me when it can go into my kitchen for the first time and make me a cup of coffee.
Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by mbesto on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @05:31PM (#30861038)
> customized route

Guess you missed this distinction.

Re:Waymo begins driverless rides in San Francisco by Dylan16807 on Thursday March 31, 2022 @12:03AM (#30863704)
Doing things a bus would not do sounds like it's well beyond "customized route".

If "customized route" counts any drive, then that's not really a limitation any more.