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Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by avs733 on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:18PM (#30835068)
this is a perfect example of why governmental services are so important - even if they are often run poorly. Without them, dis-equities inherently perpetuate due to external incentives.

The SAT is treated as a standardized test but it, as you note, is inaccessible to many. It is not government run or organized. I've found, from teaching undergraduates, that most of the students who go to college presume that everyone takes the SATs, that it is government administered, and that it is free.

compare this to the, still far from perfect and problematic in other ways, centralized university admissions testing system in many other countries.

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by verve_rat on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:48PM (#30835384)
Wow. As someone that isn't in the US, but grew up watching a lot of US TV, I had this same assumption. How the fuck is the primary method of judging student admission to University not a government run service? Wow.

As you say, contrast that to my experience where everyone took University Entrance exams in their final year of school. Score over X and you have the right to go to a university. Don't score high enough? The university can still choose to admit you at their discretion.

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by d110af5ccf on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:53PM (#30835437)
> How the fuck is the primary method of judging student admission to University not a government run service?

Because it's only de facto the primary method, as evidenced by MIT dropping it for a while there. They didn't need government permission to do that. Even public universities here generally have a high degree of autonomy regarding such things.

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by cma on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:38PM (#30835933)
MIT is private unlike most of the other land-grant schools.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by jimbob45 on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:43PM (#30835984)
College Board is a nonprofit organization[0] and thus is partially funded by the government to say nothing of any other grants they may have received. ACT Inc is the same way.

Instead of funding The One True Test, the US government partially funds every test competing to be the best college placement test.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Board

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by mypalmike on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:00PM (#30836155)
How does being a nonprofit imply "partially funded by the government"?
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by jimbob45 on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:07PM (#30836216)
Tax exemptions.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by mypalmike on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:41PM (#30836467)
Assuming you claim tax exemptions annually, are you partially funded by the government? :-P
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by jimbob45 on Monday March 28, 2022 @08:21PM (#30837196)
To a much, much lesser degree, yes.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by wiredfool on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:51PM (#30836071)
Uk qualification exams (GCSE and ALevels) are run by private boards. (Cambridge and Edexcel are the two big ones). These are effectively entrance exams, in that university offers are strongly dependent on them.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by cyberpunk on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:01PM (#30835518)
> How the fuck is the primary method of judging student admission to University not a government run service?

Well, I mean.. America is experimental capitalism. Why run anything government when it can be for profit and 'the market' will solve any and all issues with it?

It turns out 'the market' will skew in favor of making a small amount of people rich over actually improving the lives of anyone, but hey, that's freedom baby!

They're really precious about it though, so don't criticise this system out loud.

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by Anon1096 on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:21PM (#30835742)
That's nice and all but the College Board is nonprofit and they administer the SAT.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by avs733 on Monday March 28, 2022 @07:49PM (#30836985)
It’s a multibillion dollar nonprofit who’s ceo makes over a million a year.

Do with that what you will.

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by annexrichmond on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:07PM (#30836229)
many schools are not public as with the SAT which is also "not-for-profit"

I wonder how one could codify a regulation for schools requiring entrance test to provide "reasonable" accommodations for prospective students to take it; like some parent comments mentioned not everyone can feasibly get to a testing center

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by orangepurple on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:51PM (#30835415)
> How the fuck is the primary method of judging student admission to University not a government run service? Wow.

Probably the same reason that the Federal Reserve Bank is not a government entity (they only have a meaningless government "oversight board") even though it loans all money to the US Government with interest and has never been audited.

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by d110af5ccf on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:54PM (#30835451)
I really hate this meme. The federal reserve is very much under the purview of the legislature. If the legislature isn't choosing to act in the way you would like, well, then that's a completely separate complaint. Implying that the federal reserve is somehow independent from the government is dishonest.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by achandlerwhite on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:57PM (#30835476)
You think the Board of Governors is meaningless? Do you realize the Fed turns over interest it earns to the US Treasury? What an odd thing to bring up in this context.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by mikestew on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:02PM (#30835534)
Now that we know that you have a dislike of the Federal Reserve system, you didn't actually answer the question by stating a reason. What would "the same reason" be?
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by colinmhayes on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:33PM (#30835890)
How can you seriously believe the Fed isn't a government entity? I'm legitimately struggling to understand how you came to such a misguided conclusion.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by mypalmike on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:29PM (#30836370)
The ownership structure of the Federal Reserve's 12 constituent reserve banks makes the Fed a mix of private and public banking. Commercial banks hold shares in each of the reserve banks. As shareholders, they elect 6 of the 9 regional directors. So while it's largely a governmental organization, ownership and influence from private banking is certainly present.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by tonguez on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:38PM (#30835939)
How can you believe it is? I'm legitimately struggling to understand how you came to such a misguided conclusion.
Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by Hasu on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:56PM (#30836114)
Because it:

- was created by the US government

- is ran by US government appointees, who are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate

- has to make annual reports to Congress

- returns all its profits to the US government

- describes itself as a government agency. [0]

Does the Fed have more independence than, say, the Department of Agriculture? Yes, but an independent government agency is still a government entity.

[0] "The Federal Reserve, like many other central banks, is an independent government agency..." https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12799.htm

Re:Reinstating our SAT/ACT requirement for future admissions... by avs733 on Monday March 28, 2022 @07:52PM (#30836998)
Because beliefs tend to emerge from ideology as opposed to the other way around. Then those beliefs become the api for interacting with information