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Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by criddell on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:41PM (#30748598)
There's a lot of software not on Linux or that doesn't run well on Linux.

People pick their OS based on what software they want to run, not the other way around. And they pick from what they can buy. Go into a BestBuy and you can choose between Windows machines, Apple machines, and a few Chromebooks.

If you did manage to buy a Linux machine somewhere, you are going to be disappointed when you go back into that BestBuy to get a printer or webcam or some other accessory and the box says "compatible with macOS and Windows".

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by smackeyacky on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:58PM (#30748757)
Ironically, printers are now easier to get working on Linux than they are on Windows. The whole no-driver setup in the unix world murders the "must install this driver and possibly restart" shenanigans on Windows.

I was quite surprised when I switched my main dev machine to Linux and the printer not only appeared by itself, but worked out of the box.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tcmart14 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:55PM (#30748727)
But the issue here is not inherently with Linux. It is more so with vendors of printers making drivers. If Brother feels that there are enough people running Linux and want to own a Brother printer, they will make the driver. Maybe that is the issue we need solve, or at least the part we need to be vocal about. If brother gets a significant number of emails asking for linux support, perhaps they will finally make linux a first class citizen?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by freeone3000 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:57PM (#30749646)
I think it's interesting you chose Brother here, because Linux support is a first class citizen -- they not only offer CUPS drivers, they offer Deb and RPM packages that also set up dependencies.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tcmart14 on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:16AM (#30750564)
I just picked the first vendor off the top of my head and Brother came to mind. Feel free to replace it with any other vendor/manufacturer. In no way is it meant to single out brother as being poor on Linux.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by ihateolives on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:21AM (#30751195)
> But the issue here is not inherently with Linux. It is more so with vendors of printers making drivers.

Users don't care. For them things either work or not. Users are not going to e-mail Brother or Nvidia or Microsoft to fix their issues with printers, video cards or Onedrive. How is that so hard to understand?

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tcmart14 on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:41AM (#30751723)
If the vendors got metrics that showed that desktop linux user share was enough and viable enough, they would. The issue is, Linux users are a small share of the desktop market. But, if that number grew, it changes. Hardware vendors would port their drivers over once the potential revenue of customers on a different platform outweighs the cost in doing so. Otherwise, I don't think Brother or Nvidia really give a damn if an end user is running Windows or Linux, they just care that enough of those user exists in their respective ecosystem to justify the engineering costs.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by robertlagrant on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:29AM (#30752365)
This is true, but still - people want to print documents. They don't want to run Linux (or Windows). If they can't print documents, that's a problem.

The solution was Google Cloud Print, IMO. That was a great idea. Who cares what you run, as long as it can connect to the internet you can print. I don't know how in-depth it got with the various crazy menu systems

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tcmart14 on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:49AM (#30752490)
That brings up an excellent point. Services like these start to eventually render driver support useless. I haven't heard of Google cloud print, but I just looked it up. Even though it looks to be EOLed, there are alternatives still going, just not from google. My HP printer has an app. I can push documents to the app that goes up to HP then comes back down on to my printer, if I have my printer configured with that. I think my last printer, which was a bother had something similar where I could set it up on my home network in such a way that I can just email a document to a special bother email address which then prints it out on the brother printer.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by fartcannon on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:55PM (#30748731)
People pick everything based on marketing.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hulitu on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:19AM (#30752682)
Maybe until they get burned.