Twitter hocking NFTs to everyone for their profile pics is like a Costa Concordia-level move, which pretty much serves as a huge sign that the ship is sinking...
It's a car accident in process to be honest, and only the people who read alt-news sources get the right dose of pessimism. On the flip side, I'm still confused but pleased that my email inbox is still only flooded with bank transfer scheme emails rather than crypto/NFT news and scams... Ahh... The quiet life... :P
Decentralized systems by nature suffer for slow adoption (just look at decentralized networks like Mastodon which are objectively better than alternatives yet lag behind in adoption). Finally, bitcoin is a financial product, I really don't know any other financial systems that we're adopted quickly other than maybe payment processors. We still struggle to adopt centralized systems that come pre-enabled on our phones!
Crypto is just too big to be adopted quickly and one might argue that's actually a good thing.
If even the European Union moves faster than your cutting-edge decentralized system, maybe you have a problem.
Of course the two approaches will be different.
In contrast, I bought some cryptos five years ago and dabbled in Solidity too, but there was just nothing to do with it because it’s so clunky and wasteful. I don’t expect to ever touch that stuff again.
That’s obviously anecdotal, but it’s clear by now it’s nothing like the early Internet. That organic buy-in isn’t happening.
"It is really very important for everyone to notice the deadline for completing the cutover to IP/TCP and the elimination of NCP from use in the ARPANET." https://groups.google.com/g/fa.tcp-ip/c/HDoq18adT2Y/m/HwoFGx...
Maybe blockchains tech will graduate beyond coins, NFTs, speculation, and rug-pulls. I look forward to that day. However, over a decade in, everything about cryptocurrencies and blockchain tech, from development to application, deployment and function, feels clunky.
This also turned out to be total BS as Russian crypto accounts keep getting frozen. Funnily enough, I haven’t heard the “crypto community” make a single peep about this. Hilarious..
You do realize that their are capital controls self-imposed by the Ukrainian National Bank, right? And that Bitcoin has been legalized in Ukraine [0] after the influx of Bitcoin donations (and other alts) which were used to fund supplies, logistics, military efforts, as well as the formal Ukrainian Government to continue the war effort.
If anything I'd say it proves that what we have said all along was the case, Bitcoin isn't going to matter to functional economies in the developed World, but will excel most in crisis situations in mainly developed nations.
Lastly, the only one to 'restrict' accounts was the YC-backed Coinbase [1] (the bane of the Bitcoin community as they hold so much BTC despite being vocal opponents of it since Segwit).
So, all I have been able to gather from all of this is that YC/HN remains incredibly ignorant of what Bitcoin and crypto avails, and will draw conclusions based more on that ignorance then take the time to actually look into what is actually taking place.
0: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ukraine-legalises-bitcoi...
1: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/coinbase-bloc...
And yet, you people think crypto is seriously going to "catch on" for the average person? I'm sorry, but "you need a certain IQ to understand Rick and M- I mean crypto!" isn't going to magically make crypto useful at all. The fact that crypto people have to go into long tirades full of technical jargon just to answer the question "Why?" tells the whole story.
Personally speaking, I think Bitcoin won't get 'mass adoption' in the developed World until they are using it without actually realizing: think a GUI and UX similar to that of online banking, and unfortunately, custodial services and wallets.
The idealist crypto-nerd in me wished everyone would be running their own mainchain and LN node and would be securing their funds on hardware wallets, and only communicated over End to End or PgP encrypted platforms with keys they swapped in person: but after over 10 years in this space I have come to realize that the average person will gravitate towards convince in orders of magnitude much more than security.
It's a harsh reality that I have long accepted when it comes to the 'average user' and it helps explain the prevalence of why the leaks, hacks and data breaches using these leaky services continues.
Personally speaking, this isn't 2011, you don't need to learn how to use Linux to download the blockchain and synch up to the network using QT and create wallets in the terminal, thus the IQ factor isn't relevant anymore... all you need is a relatively modern smart phone and an internet connection (and when that is down a Blockstream satellite or access to Starlink as has been proven to be the case in Tonga and Ukraine this year) to plug into this inclusive financial system: it's very telling that 3G/4G availability is more prevalent in the developed World than running water is.
With nano, I do actually have instant, 0 fee, 24/7 money transfers.
Sorry, but your claim is just not true in practice.
Every time I look at a no fee platform in the cryptocurrency world, it turns out that it's subsidized somehow. If you want to make a fair comparison with e.g. SEPA transfers, you have to assess where this comes from. For a lot of these networks, it's just a way to gain adoption and it doesn't reflect whether it's sustainable for them in the longer-term.
The compromise I have to make as a user is to use their cryptocurrency with all the drawbacks it has. But it doesn't matter if it takes me no time to send $CRYPTO if I need to wait hours before I can convert it back to fiat money and actually use it. That will remain the case as long as these cryptocurrencies remain niche, it's a bootstrapping problem.
Of course it isn't, but they clearly have an axe to grind against things they do not understand at all and they will remain oblivious to the the very obvious fact that SEPA is pretty broken--EU nations and non-Euro nations (within the EU) do not transfer directly or instantly either. It can take days and the expenses, transfer rates, and exchange rates are not 0 either.
But, hey... this is Hacker news, where if you repeat a lie enough times about something you do not like, it will become true enough to be accepted.
You're aware that SEPA is for the eurozone only, right? SEPA is slow-ish (2-3 days) and free, and now there's SEPA Instant, supported by many banks ( I don't think there are stats, but all of the 5 banks i use have it) which is fast and works 24/7, and usually free ( some old banks are trying to monetise it at 1€ per transaction). It's still better than in crypto land or the US. Of all similar cases, the only one I've heard of that is probably better is the Indian UPN(?).
Yes, I live there as a US citizen without access to EU banking, do you? It also worth noting that it is utilized by non EU member-nations, too. (See link below.)
I also happen to live in a country that hasn't adopted the Euro, it will soon but hasn't yet. I also pay my rent to somoene who lives and works in a Euro based country.
Thus direct transfer with Euro to non-Euro accounts (and vice-versa) requires fees, transfers, and conversion costs. And it doesn't operate 24/7, and they never have; weekends always have delays--I paid a friend from Switzerland in BTC to pay someone in a SEPA non-euro EU member nation for a deposit on an apartment before a flight on US time on a weekday (weekend in their time zone) and the funds arrived in less than 10 mins for 17 cents via BTC, the payment to arrive to from a Swiss bank account to a non-euro bank account took 3 days to arrive and clear. SEPA is what Switzerland uses, even though its not a EU nation [0]. And I used to live there when the CHF was pegged to the EUR and was accepted just like the CHF: there are payment rails that never changed as a result.
What I'm saying is things are more complex tan you are making it out to be when it comes to fintech and unless you work in it you will never truly understand that--what some deem edge cases are quite typical if you work in this Industry.
I think your POV is still based on the idea that things are working under ideal conditions (or near them), where as the Bitcoin network was designed to bypass and rout around all those inconsistencies and all the constraints when it doesn't operate as it should. Which is typical for the vast majority of the World's population.
I'm sure your measure of 'functional' vastly differs to someone who operates a legal and legitimate business, but because they are deemed someone who is either high risk or simply persona non-grata for working in an Industry the State doesn't like they cannot gain access to a bank account.
I think this is really the best 'check your privilege' moment we will ever have in the tech space, and most people on HN (mainly affluent tech workers) have as you expected failed in remarkable manner; instead of the woke BS that it's often used to explain people's insulated existence, this usecase clearly exposes how naive and coddled citizens of the developed World are to what are common and typical issues in the rest of the World, but since it has had almost no impact on their own day to day they not only ignore it but will go out of there way to criticize they have a glib understanding of at best.
I can make more sweeping generalizations, but I'm not sure it will be of any use.
I don't see why that's self-evident. Decentralized applications get fast and wide adoption all the time, e.g. Napster.
Social media is the last thing left in pushing this lottery brigade... Social platforms have already demonstrated that most frankly can't succeed in their large oceans of popularity and in competing with wealthy influencers, the same holds true for crypto. It is far too easily influenced by tweets, wealthy influence, and popularity to make everyone socially climb the ladder, and far too volatile for people who can't afford to risk money to play with...
Just like regular money.
No, we couldn't be. i mean, every time in these crypto threads cyptobros compare crypto to the Internet, and to cars, and to the wheel, and to..., and it's fine.
But when we compare it to something, it's apples to oranges? You don't say.
> Crypto is just too big to be adopted quickly
It's not big.
Not really? I'm pretty happy with the Twitter UX as it is.
> ad free
Meh.. I don't really care one way or the other.
It was pretty damn big after it was 13 years old.
It took more than 20 years for a website to exist on the internet.
WeChat pay
What about Git, or Napster, or filesharing in general, or Tor?
The first operating system for real work is arguably in 1956 [1]. 13 years later we still didn't have the personal computer.
The internet was born in 1983. 13 years later it was around 36M users (1% global population) [2]
With "general purpose" crypto/decentralized apps really only getting going in 2015 w/ ethereum, it does seem like early days. The UX and infrastructure/tooling are still a ways away from being consumer ready.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_operating_systems [2] https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm
It sounds like the author is describing crypto as a ponzi (rather than a bubble) and I'd agree too if crypto never ends up on delivering real value. But it already has in terms in efficiencies (e.g. money transfer and cutting out middlemen is a 10x improvement) and I definitely think we're starting to see more.
I think that crypto hasn't quite integrated with society yet (yet is the key word). Once it does, crypto will be operating less within its own sandbox and will have more impact on society. It needs to marry into our legal system and deal more with oracles bridging the real world into the crypto world.
When you say Bitcoin is 13 years old you're only looking at it from a technology standpoint. It's made a few strides in this time period, but I think we could also consider Bitcoin as a monetary good. From that lens, as something to think about, how long did it take for gold to be accepted as currency?
The rest of crypto is much less than 13 years old and I think we'll start seeing more of their impact in the next 5 years.
https://csrc.nist.gov/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography/rou...
"Formal complaint regarding 8 June 2021 incident - 2021.06.15, Daniel J. Bernstein
"Executive summary. A week ago Dr. Daniel Apon from NIST publicly accused me of professional misconduct. Specifically, he accused me of initiating private contact with NIST so as to provide false information to NIST regarding the timing of an upcoming announcement relevant to NIST’s ongoing decisions..."
The gist is that Shor's algorithm might not be strictly necessary with a quantum annealer.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2021/06/07/q-day-i...
There is consensus on this question.
* ssh(1), sshd(8): add the [email protected] hybrid
ECDH/x25519 + Streamlined NTRU Prime post-quantum KEX to the
default KEXAlgorithms list (after the ECDH methods but before the
prime-group DH ones). The next release of OpenSSH is likely to
make this key exchange the default method.
But it’s not. Bitcoin is 13 years old. At that age, Windows was on >90% of the world’s computers. Java at age 13 had taken over enterprise software and was about to conquer mobile via Android. Cryptos are used by maybe 0.1% of computer users (if we’re very generous about what exactly constitutes usage). Considering the amount of investment they are an expensive failure by any normal metrics like monthly active users.
It’s not the early days. Rather these are the last days for VCs to sell you this tired old thing before the novelty wears off, and that’s why they are so frantic about pushing it via Hollywood celebrities and whoever else they can muster with money.