Are you sure you want to do comparison? As late as 1863, captured leaders of the Taiping Rebellion were sentenced to death by slicing flesh off the body until they died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Dakai

This is whataboutism. No relevance to the issue at hand whatsoever.

I'm saying that it's silly to argue that Tibetans don't deserve their own government because ancient Tibetans were horrible people, when the current alternative is Tibetans being ruled by China with its own horrible ancestors.

Ancient people were horrible everywhere. It's not really an argument for anything.

The Tibetans deserve a government that represents them, but not the Dalai Lama led one (although I don't agree with a principle of "every ethnic group governs themselves" or something like that. I don't think it is wrong or colonialist to be part of a supranational, pluralistic state - but China is obviously authoritarian).

These aren't "ancient Tibetans"... this is quite literally the Tibetian government directly prior to the Chinese takeover, ie. within current people's lifetime. There are direct, credible witnesses to what Tibet under the current Dalai Lama's government was like. The current Dalai Lama was picked by people who tortured their citizens and gouged out their eyes for trying to organize away from serfdom. The current Dalai Lama oversaw a feudal system where these sorts of punishments continued to be carried out.

Tashi Tsering's autobiography details the extensive whippings and sexual assault he experienced working in the current Dalai Lama's dance troupe, prior to the Chinese takeover.

This is not "ancient" history.

If I view people as animals, I just wish them stay the same for generations, so my kids can visit them, their exotic cultures. Don't have my stupid modern life style, stay pure, stay different. I feel that's how people see this world. In many tourists places, people have to pretend to be the same as old time, wear exotic clothes, do something stupid shit in village for tourists to see. That's how this world is, becoming a big zoo.

.... says the person comparing Tibet to Saudi Arabia.

What? It was the person I was replying to making comparisons with Saudi Arabia, I was merely responding.

> but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias

Yes, now read one comment up where Saudi Arabia is mentioned as a comparison with other theocracies, such as Tibet.

Tibet was much more closer to SA (rigidly authoritarian, brutal punishments) than Pakistan (democratic election of leaders, less chopping off of people's limbs)

Could you please point me to an independent source which can confirm what you wrote, as in not Chinese/CCP propaganda to justify their invasion and occupation of Tibet.

Also, looks like the Tibetan's are suffering exactly the kind of treatment as you wrote under the CCP.

Probably not the tone you're looking for, but definitely independent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEOSCIOnrs

I am more familiar with the history of pre British India. Thankfully the British "civilized" my country. Surely China will do the same to Tibet.

The excuses people make for colonialism remain the same as centuries pass by.

the history between china and tibet isn't the history between britain and india.

It is exactly the same. It is colonialism right down to the justifications