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Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:35PM (#30666408)
Large yachts are functional. They’re mobile own territory for people operating on the level of nation states.

Booking out a hotel for hundreds of aides, attachés and visitors is very difficult outside the largest cities. Securing it can be impossible. Particularly on short notice. A yacht solves those problems.

(I’d still pick the reactor.)

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by izzygonzalez on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:48PM (#30666515)
I never thought of it from this perspective. A yacht could serve as a research vessel with slight added protection against political turmoil. One of the problems with setting up organizations inside of a nation-state are the economic and political risks. Without the necessary dive into the ethics of the proposition, it might serve as the Noah's ark for vital research and the associated minds.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by Thorrez on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:20PM (#30666780)
Sergey Brin uses his yacht for disaster relief. He has a charity that sends teams around the world to help with disasters.[1]

He also has a startup, LTA (Lighter Than Air), aiming to build blimps for humanitarian purposes.[2] According to this article he also wants to the blimp to be "luxuriously appointed" so it can be used as an air yacht.[3] LTA is based at Moffett Airfield in Mountain View, and I know I've seen blimps take off and land there every once in a while. When I see one I always wonder if it's Sergey's blimp.

[1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/google-co-founder-sergey-brin-...

[2] https://www.ltaresearch.com/

[3] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-sergey-brin-airship-c...

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by UberFly on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:47AM (#30669520)
Are we sure this isn't one of those tax-haven "foundations" that get you adulation and praise from the march-in-line media and a tax-free yacht and airship to use on the weekends? Maybe a "luxuriously appointed" "humanitarian" "tax haven"? I'm out of quote marks now.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by adhesive_wombat on Monday March 14, 2022 @01:26PM (#30675247)
Right? If he wanted to spend 80 million on humanitarian missions he'd be better to have bought the HMS Ocean when it was in sale. As a helicarrier with a proven track record in humanitarian missions, it's vastly better equipped than a party boat stocked up from Home Depot.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by adhesive_wombat on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:57PM (#30666595)
Now there's a spec-fic book I'd read:

> Physicists trapped in indentured servitude aboard Elon Musk's converted droneship research station "Just Fucking Get It Done" as it sails the post-apocalytic seas.

> Just when they thought it couldn't get any worse, they dock at Peter Thiel's island bio-research facility and they have to take matters into their own nitrile-gloved hands before it's too late...

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by pastacacioepepe on Monday March 14, 2022 @07:01AM (#30670868)
Or pretty much the whole snowpiercer plot
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by irjustin on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:13PM (#30667473)
> A yacht could serve as a research vessel with slight added protection against political turmoil.

Fun fact, this was part of the setup for Tenet.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by missedthecue on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:24PM (#30667183)
Most luxury yachts only have a passenger capacity of 12. There aren't hundreds of people on those.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by nine_k on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:39PM (#30667292)
They may have passenger capacity of 12, but they have a larger crew and servant quarters capacity. You can invite 11 more of your billionaire pals, and there'll be plenty of people around to serve their needs.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by gigaflop on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:48AM (#30672399)
I've seen stories of megayachts that have their own smaller yacht following them with the water toys, and other humans who help provide entertainment for those owning the larger yacht. The first entry on the link below says that some kind of lab has been fitted into it.

https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/editorial-features/...

If not for visions of space-faring billionaires, I could easily foresee sea-based billionaires with a small armada of support vessels to provide for them:

Old tankers could potentially be repurposed as massive hydroponic farms, or even fish farms. Why trust the local's mercury-and-parasite ridden fauna, when you can instead pull some fresh Tilapia 2 (genome will be slightly modified to prevent breeding with 'natties', probably will have different-colored skin) out of The Pond's hold?

A cruise ship would probably be the best host vessel for your employees, since it already has a lot of the features you'd need (sleeping, eating, refit some of the entertainment spaces into workspaces), and a smart move would have been to buy one during the Covid crash the operators had early on. Force your employees to register as residents in your port town of choice for optimal tax shelter status, and minimal legislative oversight.

Nuclear submarines could be used as top-secret skunkworks, since they could dive down in order to guarantee some amount of isolation from corporate spies. Once you have your roster for a project, you'd dive down a mile or so, and give the teams metrics to see who earns the most sunlight during the bimonthly surfacings. Lines up nicely with 2 week sprints, right?

But here's something I can't figure out: What would the flagship be? How many people would it need to support? Would it be one of the biggest of the armada (like the capital vessel), or would it be an incredibly-well-appointed cruiser?

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by jahnu on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:41AM (#30670313)
Still at least an order of magnitude fewer guests than was suggested above. A small hotel can host this many people.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by acchow on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:56PM (#30677404)
Initially, I found this to be insightful.

Then I discovered that the $700 million superyacht Scheherazade can accommodate "40 guests in 22 cabins". I suppose you could fill the hallways with bunk beds as well for your "hundreds of aids, attaches, and visitors".

I don't think accommodating 40 guests is difficult "outside of the largest cities".

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by jahnu on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:39AM (#30670294)
> Booking out a hotel for hundreds of aides, attachés and visitors is very difficult outside the largest cities.

Even the biggest yachts can't host even close to these numbers of people. E.g. the gigantic Azzam superyacht, at a cost of $600M, and 180m in length, can host only 36 guests according to news reports.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by cduzz on Monday March 14, 2022 @08:48AM (#30671762)
Probably that implies "36 guests" and their staff and support infrastructure.

I doubt when Buff Jezos goes to visit Gill Bates on his super yacht he shows up only with a couple suitcases.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by antupis on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:28AM (#30669413)
Thing is that with that 700 million you could buy 2 - 10 million luxury property when you go new place.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by jdhzzz on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:44PM (#30666943)
Not mutually exclusive. How about a fusion powered yatch?
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by FooBarBizBazz on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:42PM (#30667643)
Could be fission powered, if it's an old aircraft carrier.

You'd think a billionaire would have gotten one of those by now. Like China with the Liaoning... though, even the Liaoning isn't nuclear.

Actually, that's pretty amazing. The Americans have several nuclear carriers. The Soviets/Russians had/have several. And the French have one: the Charles de Gaulle. That's it. Nobody else has any. Not even China. Not even Britain (which does have nuclear submarines).

That's pretty amazing.

It really puts into perspective how powerful the United States is.

Granted, there's an argument that these are becoming floating targets, what with ASBMs, and as hypersonics come online. But still. They're pretty impressive things.

And even the Russians seem less capable than expected.

Which leaves basically just the US. Still.

Complacency would be a huge mistake -- and China is projected to start working on nuclear carriers pretty soon -- but, nevertheless, maybe reports of America's dethronement are premature.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by LargoLasskhyfv on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:55AM (#30669577)
Many countries have rules which forbid privately operated ships powered by fission-reactors docking/anchoring. The German-built Otto Hahn wasn't allowed passage through Suez and Panama Channel, the US-built NS-Savannah was excluded from ports in Japan, Australia and New Zealand.

Though that was long ago, I'm unaware of changes regarding that.

So no cruising to your bunker in NZ on your supernukular toy when the SHTF :-)

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by FooBarBizBazz on Monday March 14, 2022 @10:52AM (#30673125)
Interesting. Your post led me to [1]. Even including all the (mostly Russian) icebreakers, the number of nuclear-powered vessels is quite small.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_marine_propulsion#Ci...

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by willis936 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:13PM (#30667833)
Aircraft carriers are large targets because they're so valuable. WWII Pacific Theater was centered around taking out enemy aircraft carriers while preserving your own. If you can have one that can operate on its own for months and out-speed any chemically-fuelled vessel: that's a huge advantage. Now imagine having a fleet of them. Nothing short of ready for war.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by kevin_thibedeau on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:06AM (#30669296)
For Russians you'd want a nuclear ice breaker as the ultimate flex.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by adhesive_wombat on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:38AM (#30669471)
Wouldn't that be ironic: oil billionaire buys a nuclear icebreaker just in time to never be able to use again because there's no ice to break.