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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by tpmoney on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:20PM (#30662692)
Looks identical and is identical are two different concerns though. I bought a (used) dryer from a small appliance vendor that looked identical to the new one right next to it for half as much. It was only a year later when it stopped working and I opened it up that I discovered where a thermal fuse should be there was just a straight piece of non high temp wire that had melted and thankfully not burned my house down when it failed. Which isn't to say that first party parts may not be marked up for profit, just that external looks of things don't tell you anything about the actual internal construction.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by newaccount74 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:55PM (#30663138)
I agree with your point in general. I have bought spare parts from sketchy websites in the past and sometimes they are not as good as the original. You can usually tell the difference if you look at them closely.

But heating elements are very simple parts, and I bought it from a reputable local store, so I don't really worry that I'm getting an unsafe part. It's probably going to fail in a few years due to corrosion just like the original part (we have very hard water), and then I'll swap it again.

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by littlestymaar on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:30AM (#30670222)
This was responding to a comment saying that the cost was justified by logistics issues even if the part itself was dirt cheap. The fact that you can in fact find way cheaper parts shows that the logistic argument is BS.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by VonGallifrey on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:58PM (#30667386)
> straight piece of non high temp wire that had melted

I am not sure if that is what you mean, but to me it sounds like they might have purposefully put there so that it works like a thermal fuse.

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by R0b0t1 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:47PM (#30663789)
It's typical to have a markup goal of at least 10x going from place of origin to destination market. It is a scam. Source: involved in electronic design and manufacture.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by robertlagrant on Sunday March 13, 2022 @02:40PM (#30664403)
It's not a scam - they just don't particularly want to be in the business of supplying parts, so they charge a premium. You can buy an alternative if you like.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by R0b0t1 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:20PM (#30666781)
Not markup on the parts. The whole product you are initially sold.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by robertlagrant on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:25AM (#30670186)
The conversation is about the disparity in pricing between parts as spares and parts assembled into the original product.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by iso1631 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:37PM (#30663679)
Heating Element sounds just the trick to start a fire
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by goodpoint on Sunday March 13, 2022 @02:11PM (#30664091)
Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam.

Also, the costs were not so absurdly high 20, 40 or 60 years ago!

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by pc86 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:36PM (#30665967)
Making a profit, even a large one, is not in and of itself a scam.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by CRConrad on Monday March 14, 2022 @04:59PM (#30678233)
AFAICS making a profit without providing an equitably commensurate value in return, as consideration for the payment the profit comes from, is the very definition of a scam.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by pc86 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:58AM (#30699619)
Trying to make the math easy, if official parts cost $80 to produce due to licensing or whatever, and are sold for $100, is it necessarily a scam if you can produce functionally similar parts without the licensing concerns for, say, $10, but charge $90 for them?

Huge profit margin, but you're able to produce much more cheaply than a competitor. Some would say you earned that margin, and in a fair and open market if someone else can also produce them for $10 you'll see prices start falling quickly. If they can't, I don't see how it's a "scam" for you to make money in that scenario.

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by goodpoint on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:53AM (#30700357)
> fair and open market

Again the same strawman. There is nothing "fair and open" in price gauging replacement parts in a market where buyers cannot compare quality, reliability, durability and TCO across products, replacement parts, repair services and guarantees.

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by goodpoint on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:07PM (#30666671)
Nice strawman there.
Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by pc86 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:55AM (#30699582)
> Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam.

How are you not saying that they're making too much money and it's therefore "a clear indication" that it's a scam?

I'd love to be told why I'm wrong rather than just "hurr durr strawman"

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by goodpoint on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:07AM (#30699715)
Read my message again and read your reply again then.

Selling replacement parts with an unreasonable markup is a form of bait and switch: the customer buys the product thinking that it will have a given TCO over its lifetime. Only after some time the customer learns that the TCO is much higher when a replacement is needed.

You twisted my words by claiming that making a profit is not a scam.