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Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by verisimi on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:56AM (#30554733)
I was confused about this.

I presumed Antonov Airlines was a Russian airline, so I was wondering why the Russians would destroy their own planes.

But Antonov Airlines is a Ukrainian company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_Airlines

The plane was designed in Soviet (Russian) Ukraine (ie before 1991) to carry the Soviet (Russian) space shuttle.

edited to say Soviet, not Russian

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by yardie on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:29AM (#30555236)
The Russian space program isn't even in Russia. Baikonur Cosmodrome is in Kazakhstan. So you can see these countries hold a very high strategic value to Russia. The ghosts of the Soviet Union are still haunting us to this day.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by pcardoso on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:24AM (#30556058)
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by yardie on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:45PM (#30558702)
I new they were building a new cosmodrome I hadn't heard much about it. Most of their launches are still from Baikonor, but I could be mistaken.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by masklinn on Friday March 04, 2022 @12:30PM (#30557669)
Antonov wasn’t even an airline originally it was a design bureau, the airline was set up to handle chartering of 124s, and later the restored 225.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by supreme_berry on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:03AM (#30554833)
What is Russian Ukraine? How old are you?
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by rootusrootus on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:11AM (#30554946)
To be fair, it was pretty common to refer to the Soviets as Russians, even if not strictly accurate. Though I don't think I'd ever phrase it as Russian Ukraine if I were writing it out.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by wazoox on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:03AM (#30556558)
The Eastern part of Ukraine used to be called "little Russia" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia); just like eastern Belarus was simply "White Russia". That's also why from 1721 the Czar was called "Emperor of all the Russias".
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by sorokod on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:09PM (#30561274)
Belarus means white russia by itself.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by qiskit on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:03PM (#30561817)
Interesting fact I learned a while back. Belarus is named white russia because mongols used color based cardinal directions ( gold = center, white = west, black = north, red = south, blue = east ).

So white russia means west russia ( west of russia ). Red and black ruthenia means south ruthenia and north ruthenia. White, gold and blue hordes, you get the idea.

If you ever wonder what made white russians white as opposed to other russians, not you know. For the longest time, I thought it was because it snowed more in belarus.

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by maw on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:12AM (#30554960)
Pretty sure verisimi meant to say "Soviet Ukraine".
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by verisimi on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:13AM (#30554980)
That would be fine too - probably better
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by verisimi on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:12AM (#30554968)
Before Ukraine became an independent country in 1991, it was part of the USSR. The plane and space shuttle etc were part of the USSR.

I'm using the term 'Russian Ukraine' because it describes the fact that it was part of the USSR when created. Its not my own term - I read this earlier today, and I think it indicates the placement in time accurately.

Do you object to the term 'Russian Ukraine'?

And what does my age have to do with it? How old are you?

Edited to say - 'Soviet Ukraine' is probably an even better term.

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by mrcheesebreeze on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:44AM (#30555475)
ukraine was pretty much always at least partially owned by russia. One of the first centralized slavic states were the kieven rus.

russia and ukraine are tied and its not offensive or wrong to say something like "russian ukraine"

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by gambiting on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:57AM (#30555697)
If by "pretty much always" you want to completely ignore the period where large part of it used to be Polish, then sure. Pretty much always.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by TedDoesntTalk on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:06AM (#30555833)
The entire western section of Ukraine was Polish before WW2.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by mtnGoat on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:42AM (#30556274)
Haven’t Polands borders been moved like a million times though.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by gambiting on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:53AM (#30557204)
Name one European country that hasn't had its borders moved a million times lol.
Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by MomoXenosaga on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:36AM (#30556200)
Don't forget the Mongols. I believe they were around for a few centuries.

This is the reason why we should never redraw lines on a map over historical claims. It gets messy fast.

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by p_l on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:50AM (#30557176)
Well, "Kievan Rus" was Ukraine centric state, as the name says.

Moscow, and future tsarist Imperial Russia, happened much later

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by ajuc on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:09AM (#30565151)
> Ukraine was pretty much always at least partially owned by russia. One of the first centralized slavic states were the kieven rus.

This is wrong on so many levels :)

In times of Kievan Rus Moscow was a far province of forests and marches. Kyiv was the capital.

What you're saying basically: "Italy (Ukraine) was always owned by France (Russia) because Roman Empire (Kievan Rus) was the first centralized state there".

If you insist on applying modern names to historical states it was the other way around - Ukraine "owned" Russia back then.

Also for a few centuries Ukraine was owned by Mongols, Lithuanians and Poles. And Russia was only starting to exist (and wasn't called Russia at first - just Muscovy). But that's besides the point.

Re:World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes by Etherlord87 on Friday March 04, 2022 @12:15PM (#30557470)
I think it's up to Ukrainians to say if it's offensive to them (probably).

Is it wrong? I don't know, is it wrong to call the Sun cold, or the Universe small? Maybe not. Googling "russian ukraine" will not result with articles about Ukraine, it will result with news about the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Can you point to some respectable sources that use the term "Russian Ukraine"?