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Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by okl on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:39PM (#30544056)
Previously there were reports that the Russians forced the ship to cover them as "human shield": https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699109
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by waffleiron on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:50PM (#30544186)
I am not sure how much I would trust the Ukraine military on matters that make Russia look bad. However it's last port call was Chornomorsk/Odessa at 20 Feb, and it doesn't seem like the best time to leave. So I assume they left for a reason. Odessa seems to be still under Ukrainian control, but there have been reports that it would be Russia's next target, so it's possible it was trying to avoid the invasion.

I also would be careful with AIS data right now, it's easy to spoof and has been done so very recently in the black sea (https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/hackers-deface-ai...)

Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by okl on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:56PM (#30544295)
In the same vein it's possible that the Russians decided that they don't want that ship to possibly resupply the Ukrainians and therefore decided to shoot it. We won't know for sure until the dust settles.
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by waffleiron on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:01PM (#30544358)
The ship (supposedly) entered a Ukrainian port on the 20th of February. So any resupplying would have been done already. It's possible that they expected Ukraine to use it to smuggle something out of the country, but I find it hard to imagine what that could be.
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by whimsicalism on Thursday March 03, 2022 @02:05PM (#30545261)
Occam's razor they struck a mine
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by whimsicalism on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:45PM (#30544126)
Reports by the Ukrainian military. TBH, many of the direct reports put out by the Ukrainian military have later been retracted.

For instance, Ukrainian military claimed that tank that drove over civilian car in Kyiv was Russian, but it was Ukrainian.

Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by okl on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:53PM (#30544235)
> For instance, Ukrainian military claimed that tank that drove over civilian car in Kyiv was Russian, but it was Ukrainian.

IIRC, they claimed that it was an Ukrainian Strela-10 that was captured by an illegal combatant. Regardless, I just wanted to point at that piece of information without claiming that it was true.

Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by allisdust on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:49PM (#30544169)
Wait how did that happen. Was it a mistake on the tank crew's part?
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by adolph on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:00PM (#30544340)
IIRC it looked like a BMP backing up into a roadway. If it was buttoned up then at best the vehicle commander might have a glimpse of a car. The driver never saw it, just felt a shift in vehicle level. If it was Ukrainian I don't see an excuse to fail to have a ground guide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP_development

Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:54PM (#30544254)
The tank was maneuvering at high speed because it was engaged in a firefight and briefly lost control. Nobody was seriously injured.
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by zatertip on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:52PM (#30544222)
Source?
Re:Estonian Cargo ship sinks off Odessa after explosion, cre... by okl on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:55PM (#30544272)
From what I've read the Russians said that they didn't use this type of vehicle in that location and it didn't carry their markings. But see my other comment to parent.