Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare

Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by bell-cot on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:52PM (#30482328)

+10 (if I could). For those less familiar with the role of Kiev in Russian history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by samstave on Saturday February 26, 2022 @07:10PM (#30483649)

Dan Carlin's Hard Core History has an AMAZING history of Russia... I cant find which cast, but check out his site, as he has free episodes, but in addition - he puts some of the other eps in his shop on sale, for free!

I just got these:

https://imgur.com/a/XkgvjQf

https://www.dancarlin.com

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by aliswe on Sunday February 27, 2022 @10:17AM (#30489162)

Kiev is not Kyiv!

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by bell-cot on Sunday February 27, 2022 @10:35AM (#30489356)

And Constantinople is not Istanbul. The point ant6n made (grandparent post) was about the worldview of the (roughly) conservative old Russian nationalists who are dropping the bombs, and how much destruction they might find acceptable.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by redisman on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:40PM (#30482243)

If they flatten Kiyv.. I don’t know. I would want my country to send in troops.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by throwawayay02 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:43PM (#30482710)

Would you volunteer to go?

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by rgrieselhuber on Saturday February 26, 2022 @07:49PM (#30484046)

“When do you enlist?” is the ultimate skin in the game test. It’s amazing how quiet things get when you ask that question, whether we’re talking about Iraq / Afghanistan 20 years ago or this conflict now.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by rollcat on Sunday February 27, 2022 @06:10AM (#30487210)

Unless you have been trained for, or have actual experience in a warzone, you're going to be more of a liability than an asset.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by rasz on Sunday February 27, 2022 @07:54AM (#30487941)

Yes. My country is next on Putin's list.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by mda on Saturday February 26, 2022 @06:04PM (#30482902)

Why does it matter?

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by stjohnswarts on Saturday February 26, 2022 @07:43PM (#30483975)

If you are willing to send other people to die for you then you should be prepared to make the same sacrifice as well because your name may very will come up in the draft.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by dghughes on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:39PM (#30485176)

If your age is between 18 and 35.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by SergeAx on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:39PM (#30481733)

This is extremely bad and distracting analogy.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by dalbasal on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:52PM (#30481846)

Almost all analogies are bad and distracting, to some extent.

Itoh, I do think it gets across, coarsely, a point about the sentiment scape. Russian people's tolerance of Ukrainian suffering can't be taken for granted. Kievans haven't attacked them, or given Russians much reason to hate them. Hate is a necessary ingredient for that kind of war.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by InCityDreams on Saturday February 26, 2022 @08:02PM (#30484159)

It's great to know someone else (coarsely) feels this way. Once people introduce analogies, I give up as they a) become a discussion about the analogy, or b) result in further analogies, and further discussions not about the original argument.

'Bad and distracting'. Yes.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by jessaustin on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:40PM (#30482237)

Hate is a necessary ingredient...

Not when there is control fraud. Very few Americans hate Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Yemenis, Afghans, Palestinians, Vietnamese, etc.

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by tshaddox on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:48PM (#30482757)

But Russia just lightly bombing its own cradle is to be expected?

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Re:Defensive tactics from the modern history of urban warfare by belter on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:16PM (#30482499)

We can see right now how much they like it...

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