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Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:14PM (#30460386)
That's such a straightforward narrative, but then why has no major power ever been able to annex and occupy an unwilling nation before?

Everywhere Russia has taken to date was already a separatist region, but I'm really racking my brain to think of times when a country 'just simply annexed' another area by force since the fall of the Raj.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by alisonatwork on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:42PM (#30460710)
There are a few. Off the top of my head Tibet and Western Sahara come to mind. Perhaps some parts of now-Israel.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:25PM (#30461162)
Western Sahara has a population similar to Huntsville Alabama's metro region, so I guess you are right, but I hope you also see why that situation is very different from this one.

As for Tibet, repeating an earlier comment:

Tibet was under control of the Qing Dynasty (i.e. China) until its end in 1912. From 1912-1950, Tibet (due to its remoteness) acted as an de facto independent region, despite Western legal precedent stating it was still under the control of Beijing.

When attempting to get de jure independence from China in 1951, China asserted control over the region.

So sort of, but not really.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by vijayr02 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:21PM (#30461113)
Annexation of Goa [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

edit: my bad, I missed the "unwilling nation" part of the parent content

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by brimble on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:44PM (#30460736)
Yeah, having trouble thinking of one since '57. Examples abound from the first half of the 20th century (and certainly before then), but less so in the latter half.

Smaller states, though, yes. But not major powers. This may have more to do with shifting priorities for major powers, than with anything else.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by slaw on Friday February 25, 2022 @12:12AM (#30463924)
Turkey conquered part of Cyprus in 1974

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:02AM (#30468677)
Similar to an earlier comment I made, if Norther Cyprus had more than 350k people in it, the world would probably care more.

So I agree you’re right, but I also hope you agree that Ukraine is very different.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by slaw on Friday February 25, 2022 @04:18PM (#30472490)
Population size doesn’t matter. What only matters is strong army willing to repeal aggressor. What could help Ukraine is that Russian soldiers don’t want to fight for Putin and oligarchs.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Sunday February 27, 2022 @11:53PM (#30496552)
You think it's similarly difficult to annex a land of 300k and a land of 44m? Ok.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by drekipus on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:29PM (#30460552)
Hong Kong?
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:33PM (#30460605)
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by throw10920 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:48PM (#30461435)
...the Sino-British Joint Declaration is still in effect, until 2047.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by bllguo on Thursday February 24, 2022 @06:26PM (#30461762)
Doesn't change the fact that HK was not "annexed," nor was/is it majority "unwilling."
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by cutemonster on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:09AM (#30465989)
It is majority unwilling. People there want real elections and independence

(Although now too late)

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:03AM (#30468686)
You are talking about their government structure not whether or not they were willing to return to China.

Again the original point is that it was never an annexation, but even if it were, there was minimal protest and discontent in 1997.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by bombcar on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:19PM (#30460441)
Tibet?
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:39PM (#30460687)
Tibet was under control of the Qing Dynasty (i.e. China) until its end in 1912.

From 1912-1950, Tibet (due to its remoteness) acted as an de facto independent region, despite Western legal precedent stating it was still under the control of Beijing.

When attempting to get de jure independence from China in 1951, China asserted control over the region.

So sort of, but not really.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by slaw on Friday February 25, 2022 @12:24AM (#30463989)
So if you occupy country for long enough it’s ok to invade it when it tries to get independent?
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by bombcar on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:17AM (#30468115)
Nobody likes to admit it, but yeah. It all boils down to might makes right; if you revolt or otherwise cause a ruckus and win then it becomes the right path of history - see: USA, etc.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:04AM (#30468699)
You’re literally describing the US civil war.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by ls15 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:31PM (#30461238)
Kuwait?
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by RC_ITR on Thursday February 24, 2022 @07:18PM (#30462206)
Who's in charge of Kuwait?
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by ls15 on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:18AM (#30464506)
Well yes, but it took a while.