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Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by zozbot234 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @10:53AM (#30397985)
> It's not that the government just happens to hire incompetent or callous people to run these programs. It is sabotage by elected officials who oppose helping poor people.

That's the fun thing, it doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both! And I would moreover argue that if a government scheme can be sabotaged like this in the first place, the government scheme is itself at fault given its obviously lacking transparency, and a "libertarian" response is all the more appropriate.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by copo233 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:09AM (#30398116)
> I would moreover argue that if a government scheme can be sabotaged like this in the first place, the government scheme is itself at fault [...]

This is the weirdest argument. I mean, you seem to be arguing for some kind of government that's not answerable to elected leaders or voters? I mean, how else would you be able to run a program that couldn't be shut down by the leadership of an organization - public or private?

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by zozbot234 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:15AM (#30398171)
Shutting a program down is transparent. What GP said was that ineffective government programs, and red tape more generally, are uniformly due to some sort of devious intentional sabotage by the other side. My argument was a response to that.
Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by copo233 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @02:58PM (#30399999)
Yes, I can read. Your argument is nonsensical.
Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by dang on Sunday February 20, 2022 @12:05PM (#30407175)
Would you please stop breaking the guidelines so we don't have to ban you again?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html