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Re:A new wave of Linux applications by asddubs on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:07PM (#30365032)
I still dislike the gnome3 title bar with the icons. As you say, unlabelled mystery meat and hamburger menus.

I'll admit, part of my dislike for the new title bars is probably irrationally rooted in just wanting things to stay like they were on windows 98 when I first became familiar with computers, forever, and never to diverge too much from that. But those unlabelled icons, they really do puzzle and frustrate me. On websites too

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by dkarl on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:35PM (#30365324)
Unlabeled icons are terrible. I use Gmail more than any other application outside of dev tools like my editor and my terminal, and I use every single one of the message operations (archive, snooze, add as task, report spam, etc.) at least occasionally. After a month with a new work Gmail account I realized I was still waiting for the tooltip to pop up before clicking the buttons, just to make sure of what I was clicking on. Fortunately, Gmail lets you switch to text buttons. Now when I want to snooze a message, I just click snooze, instead of thinking, "This button is a clock, I bet it's snooze, but hold up, what if it's another time-related operation I'm not thinking of... okay, confirmed with the tooltip, now I can click."

And that's for a button I click several times per week!

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by asddubs on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:14PM (#30365773)
I still use the html gmail, that's getting harder to access all the time (and which google now just straight up ignores being set as your default view, and gives you the javascript view anyway unless you manipulate the URL)
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by iostream24 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:44AM (#30370873)
Me too! I hate this.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by 867-5309 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:50PM (#30365494)
it's made worse by the fact that tooltips are unavailable for mobile users
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by noisem4ker on Saturday February 19, 2022 @06:25AM (#30396274)
The convention for mobile UIs is that tooltips show up upon long pressing the buttons. Unfortunately, sometimes that does nothing, or something else entirely (e.g. start dragging).
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by jamiek88 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @07:36PM (#30367988)
I have the same gmail issues and didn’t realize you could change to text labels!
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by account42 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:13AM (#30371484)
I disagree with the notion that wanting the interface to stay the same just for the sake of it staying the same is irrational.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by silon42 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:56AM (#30370282)
Yup... Client side decorations is why I don't use Gnome3.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by zozbot234 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:15PM (#30365108)
> I still dislike the gnome3 title bar with the icons.

It's a key part of touch readiness. There's even a Windows-like theme for Gtk3+ that looks really close to the original, you might like it better than the default look.

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by hughrr on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:35PM (#30365326)
Why do we have to suffer it on the desktop though? It’s so damn hard moving windows on gnome without setting something off accidentally. Especially with the shitty touchpad input devices.

My mac laptops aren’t touch screens and they get this usable.

The whole gnome desktop makes me want to stick forks in my eyes.

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by zozbot234 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:39PM (#30365378)
> It’s so damn hard moving windows on gnome without setting something off accidentally.

I'm not sure, I've never run into this? The headerbar itself, with its labeling text, works just fine as a mouse/touch target.

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by nebul on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:04PM (#30365656)
Yeah, clicking and holding on a header bar button will still allow you to grab the window without firing any action. It's quite handy, especially with a touch pad.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by zozbot234 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:14PM (#30365771)
You don't have to target a button at all, that's quite silly. Aim at the window label. Labels have always been connoted as "plain text" with no actions associated, so they're quite intuituve for that purpose.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by nebul on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:33PM (#30366021)
Of course! But when you're using an application with a fairly busy header bar (like Nautilus or Epiphany, which don't have any labels) it can be useful to just point at the first pixel you come across without having to aim for a blank interval between buttons.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by kaba0 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @05:13PM (#30366522)
Super+drag anywhere on a window. It should be a must on every single OS.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by hughrr on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @05:42PM (#30366847)
This is completely Inferior to dragging a titlebar as it requires twice as many hands.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by floatboth on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @08:10PM (#30368329)
On the other hand (ha) it does not require any aiming. I can super+drag windows into "aero snap" targets in milliseconds because I don't have to spend any time on finding the header bar.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by account42 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:18AM (#30371520)
Which makes it a great addition to title bar dragging but not a replacement.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by modo_mario on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:53AM (#30383898)
Depends on the user to be honest. I quite dislike title bars (Especially if fairly bulky.) and so I remove em. I know they're necessary for people who aren't as apt with computers. But to me their main purpose has always seemed to be...identifying the programs i use every day and are fairly easily identified regardless.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by floatboth on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:16AM (#30371887)
I use it exclusively, don't remember the last time I looked for the title bar.
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by saturn_vk on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:54PM (#30365549)
I think you can drag almost anything on the header bar without activating it
Re:A new wave of Linux applications by otabdeveloper4 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:53AM (#30370256)
I love Gnome 3. For me it's the best desktop UI because it forces you to run everything full-screen and use search and keyboard shortcuts instead. (And everything is tailored for this workflow.)

Not even joking. I wish the Windows 95 computer interaction model would just die already.

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by asddubs on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:21PM (#30365180)
They could at the very least put labels under or next to the icons.

In regards to touch-readiness: TBH I've had a laptop with a touchscreen, and I never once used the touchscreen on it productively in any way. On a tablet it's a different story of course, but no one is forcing them to do a one-size-fits-all approach. But yeah, my main complaint is really just that stuff isn't labelled. Everything else I can begrudgingly understand somewhat

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by zozbot234 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:26PM (#30365223)
> They could at the very least put labels under or next to the icons.

On a desktop, you should be able to hover with the pointer and get tooltips. Mobile is more of a challenge, but it's not like text would be any better. You can't fit much text in the typical mobile touch target.

Re:A new wave of Linux applications by asddubs on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:13PM (#30365763)
I shouldn't have to hover over the icon to figure out what it does. That's terrible UI. Even tiny text would be better than no text