Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items

Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by benrbray on Monday February 07, 2022 @11:41PM (#30254960)

HN is one of the best designed websites I use daily. The information density is unmatched on the "modern" web.

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by alksjdalkj on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @12:20AM (#30255177)

So are you refuting the assertion that HN does a poor job with accessibility? Or just saying that you don't care because it works well for you?

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by benrbray on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @02:41AM (#30255859)

I'm saying we shouldn't make things substantially worse for 95% of people just to make things marginally better for 5%. Usually "accessibility" on the web means adding 1em padding around everything so that I can only see one comment at time on my 39" monitor.

The parent comment mentioned CSS changes, but I basically think the appearance should stay the same, and any accessibility improvements can probably be accomplished by changing the HTML for better screen reader compatibility, if needed.

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by realityking on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @03:04AM (#30255970)

There’s more to accessibility than just supporting screen readers, though that’s what people seem to think of first.

Here’s a good starting point from Mozilla covering accessibility: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Tools_and_tes...

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by benrbray on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @08:14AM (#30257970)

Most of the advice on that page is about using the correct semantic HTML elements as well as aria annotations, which is what I had in mind. Basically the appearance should stay the same, but I can definitely see how fixing up the HTML could make the page more navigable by keyboard / screen reader / etc..

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by searchableguy on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @03:10AM (#30256005)

For one, HN could stop using gif tags for indenting the comments and use modern css instead.

It's one of the only sites which does this today.

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by Flimm on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @05:32AM (#30256841)

HN is terrible to use on touchscreens (smartphones, tablets, certain laptops) and I wouldn't be surprised if more than 5% of HN's target audience are negatively affected by it. And I doubt that many people use 39 inch monitors, certainly not 95% of the target audience.

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by weare138 on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @11:02AM (#30260046)

It's not the appearance. Load it on a mobile browser and you'll see what everyone is talking about. You wouldn't even have to change the desktop version. Just have a mobile option too. HN's layout is so deadpan simple is would be incredibly easy to build a mobile interface with a modern CSS framework.

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Re:Tell HN: You can see your vouched and flagged items by DoreenMichele on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @12:23AM (#30255198)

I love HN and it works well for me, even on mobile and I'm seriously handicapped, including visually impaired.

It's also got known accessibility issues, including for people who are blind or otherwise more visually impaired than I am.

The lead mod has acknowledged this in comments.

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