SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months

Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by JumpCrisscross on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:16PM (#30215488)

> How is open access to information not a fundamental human right? Do you believe in a society where people can't find out about things?

Non sequitur. I believe in many things that make a society good and better which do not reach the standard of a human right.

This is my personal litmus test: the deprivation of a human right should create a legitimate claim to be violent. If your human rights are being denied, you have the right to take up arms. (My theory being the state, at that point, has lost the legitimacy of its monopoly on violence.)

Blood has been spilled over slavery. Starvation. Torture and free speech. Blood is not owed because someone didn’t pay their Comcast bill.

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by erulabs on Saturday February 05, 2022 @12:44AM (#30218034)

Agreed - and this is exactly why the concept of "positive" and "negative" rights exists. If no one is providing you with free access to information, free of charge, that is not an acceptable thing to get violent over. But as has already been misunderstood in this thread, the reverse of that is the positive right: If someone was *preventing* you from accessing information, that would be an acceptable time to get violent.

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by xeromal on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:30PM (#30216092)

I really appreciate this response. This has given me something to think about.

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by datameta on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:18PM (#30216001)

I would argue governmental domestic disinfo programs violate said right (i.e. Russia or China). They change the heuristics for what is believable by many citizens and thereby effectively make much external information useless. This is a form of control by the government, and in extreme forms is grounds for protests or even anti-government riots.

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by xboxnolifes on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:27PM (#30216449)

The goal posts have moved pretty significantly in this thread from "access to information and the internet" to "government domestic disinfo programs".

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by datameta on Saturday February 05, 2022 @12:26PM (#30223381)

I think the two are inextricably related and would like to hear how you believe they are not.

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by xboxnolifes on Saturday February 05, 2022 @12:53PM (#30223657)

How is "the internet is a human right" related to "the us has disinformation campaign". If blackout removed your internet access for a week, is that a violation of your human rights?

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Re:SpaceX engineers in Fiji for six months by datameta on Saturday February 05, 2022 @01:01PM (#30223759)

I think your ire stems from thinking I'm pointing the finger at the U.S.

If you re-read my comments you'll see that I don't mention it anywhere.

Blackout is unintentional. Unless it is the result of infrastructure mismanagement stemming from politicians' ineptitude. In any case, it is not an acute malicious action, and quite the strawman argument.

I don't think you're taking my statement in good faith and so I won't expand on it - since you don't seem interested in discourse by offering your thoughts instead of flatly questioning mine.

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