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Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by wpietri on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:52AM (#30207444)
Totally. For a company that lives and dies by statistics in its business and technical decisions, it amazes me that they can act like employee performance on a two-pizza team is normally distributed and only about the team member.

Sometimes a poorly performing team member was just a bad hiring choice. You politely let them go and work to improve your hiring process. Sometimes the person is struggling for reasons outside work, so you try to find the right supports necessary. But most often, in my experience poor performance is about the worker's environment (culture, process, behaviors, projects), and those are all things managers are supposed to be monitoring and improving.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by malfist on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:14AM (#30208697)
Totally agree with this and wanted to add this point as well: "Least Effective" designation is often political.

Amazon claims to be data driven, so it assumes that a manager can stack rank their employees and select the lowest performer. But let's all be totally honest here, it's impossible to quantitatively rank employee performances. Any real attempt to do this results in Goodhart's law.

So either managers follow some quantitatve measurement (most CRs, least revisions, most stories done, etc) and ignore things that matter and can't be measured. Or they attempt some sort of qualitative measurement that almost always turns into who YOU (the manager) is most comfortable working with.

Stack ranking and cutting is a broken system that is inhuman. But it fits right in with Bezos' transactional mindset.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by steveBK123 on Friday February 04, 2022 @04:09PM (#30213244)
Agree, 100% McNamara fallacy level thinking. The easily measured things don't make up the full picture, and may even be completely wrong, but they are easily measured so they become the full picture.

I worked somewhere that did weird personality tests as part of the recruiting process.

I talked to my manager later and he basically explained it as - yeah, it predicts nothing. No one ever gets denied because of it.. but its something for HR to wave at you if a hire doesn't work out and say "see it was right here in the personality test".

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by Terr_ on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:46PM (#30217563)
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by rehash3 on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:16PM (#30210715)
Internal culture, process and behavior is what decides if a job is stressful.. while at Amazon I worked fewer hours outside work hours but was a lot more stressed as every one around you is busy proving their worth than looking at what needs to get done collectively.
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by text70 on Saturday February 05, 2022 @11:12AM (#30222479)
You might be able to quantify internal culture, process and behavior, by applying some of the qualifiers from the human development index and happiness index to your company.

Just a thought.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by pyuser583 on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:27AM (#30241096)
“ Sometimes a poorly performing team member was just a bad hiring choice. You politely let them go and work to improve your hiring process.”

This is what I don’t get! If you’re convinced a certain percentage of your people should be pushed out, then you don’t trust your recruiting team!

Maybe Amazons approach is to save money by hiring crappy recruiters, then fire the mishires.

My own experience is that Amazon recruiters are more salespeople than conventional recruiters.

But I can’t imagine organization repudiating a chunk of their workforce, and not asking “why do we keep getting so many crappy programmers.”