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Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by TameAntelope on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @03:22PM (#30168668)
Violent agreement is just a term for when people seem to be disagreeing but actually aren't. [0] If that is completely counter to your way of being, then it's possible your way of being isn't compatible with the concept of constructive argument.

And I'm confused about where I said anything about certainty. I'm not talking about how all companies operate all of the time, I'm talking about how some companies operate an unfortunate number of times.

> Holding everything else constant, from job title to industry to location, female and minority applicants were much less likely to report receiving an employee referral than their white male counterparts. More specifically, white women were 12% less likely to receive a referral, men of color were 26% less likely and women of color were 35% less likely. [1]

This is not good. Can we agree on that?

[0] https://wiki.c2.com/?ViolentAgreement

[1] https://hbr.org/2018/03/how-to-use-employee-referrals-withou...

Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by vanusa on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @04:14PM (#30169384)
I'm not talking about how all companies operate all of the time, I'm talking about how some companies operate an unfortunate number of times.

In between these opposite extremes -- your language clearly indicates that you think this level of what we might call "aggravated bias" (hiring not just someone in your network; but hiring them over a more qualified candidate, presumed to exist and be interested in your opportunity) is commonplace, or something close to it.

Such that in your mind, "including referrals in your hiring funnel" == aggravated bias (in the sense above), basically.

As to the bias stats you liked to: the findings interesting, to say the least -- if they can be validated. Unfortunately the link to the original Payscale "study" seems to be broken (if we can call it that -- since remember, this is the work of a private company, with products to push).

Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by TameAntelope on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @04:18PM (#30169445)
> Such that in your mind, "including referrals in your hiring funnel" == aggravated bias (in the sense above), basically.

Can you show where I said anything approaching this? I do not believe this, nor do I believe I said or even suggested this to be the case.

Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by vanusa on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @04:21PM (#30169486)
I'm asserting the practice among those in power of favoring relatives, friends, or even friends of friends over other, more qualified candidates is a contributing factor to that diversity problem.
Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by TameAntelope on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @04:29PM (#30169595)
Not sure where in that statement I referenced hiring funnels.
Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by CRConrad on Thursday February 10, 2022 @03:41PM (#30292173)
"Referenced", in the sense of even bringing it up in a discussion all about hiring funnels, perhaps?
Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by vanusa on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @04:39PM (#30169776)
I'd continue, but you're getting awful slippery.
Re:Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter by TameAntelope on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @04:58PM (#30170047)
You made an assumption that turned out not to be true. That's okay, it happens!