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Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by brtkdotse on Sunday January 30, 2022 @05:59AM (#30135811)
Running a website in Germany seems like a god damned nightmare:

https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/abmahnung-creative-commons

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by bruce343434 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:01AM (#30135830)
You just need to have a bit of common sense about what's good for your users and what's not good for them.

That copyright example by the way, that applies everywhere.

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by drstewart on Sunday January 30, 2022 @07:38AM (#30136635)
My common sense would say embedding a link to Google Fonts to make use of caching is possible is good for the user
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by bruce343434 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:00AM (#30136796)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30136221

> The browsers don't share third-party caches across domains, because it made it easier to leak information about which sites the user has visited.

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by neoromantique on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:03AM (#30136823)
And because of people like you we are stuck with NoScript and the like
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by onli on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:04AM (#30135853)
That specific scam does not have to work anymore though. Abmahnungen in Germany are the most stupid and lawyer serving system in the world, but the CC image scam got closed by judges deciding no monetary harm was done. Possible that these lawyers are still trying, but note that the article started 2018.
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by account42 on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:57AM (#30146696)
The linked article also never went to court because they decided to pay instead:

> September 21: After months of silence, we have received another letter from Kanzlei Schröder. This time, they threaten to take us to court unless we pay 400€ by October 1. We decided to pay. That was our last interaction with Kanzlei Schröder.

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by Vespasian on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:13AM (#30135928)
Do you have a link. I read that recently this specific scam was picking up steam in the US and was concerned about the implications here in Germany.
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by onli on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:19AM (#30135978)
Yeah, I think https://www.rechtambild.de/2018/09/kein-schadensersatz-bei-c... references the decision I was remembering.
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by Vespasian on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:33AM (#30136094)
Awesome. Thanks
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by brtkdotse on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:07AM (#30135886)
Interesting, thanks for the update!
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by vanviegen on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:04AM (#30135856)
Whereas in the US you don't need to worry about frivolous lawsuits at all...?
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by HL33tibCe7 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:26AM (#30136042)
Frivolous lawsuits, maybe, but frankly that’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is the legislative liability of running a website. I’ve never heard anything even close to what the GP describes happening in any other country.
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by smorgusofborg on Sunday January 30, 2022 @09:22AM (#30137420)
Software patents are a construct of the legislature that hands out a template for privateers to create liability. I wouldn't want to do anything in the US market.
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by bitwize on Sunday January 30, 2022 @07:59AM (#30136788)
A smaller nightmare than the dystopian surveillance the free-market free-for-all in the USA has manifested.

The government has the absolute authority to regulate you into a corner, if need be, to protect its people from predation by powerful interests. That's what governments are for.

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by snickerbockers on Sunday January 30, 2022 @07:44AM (#30136676)
Why can't they just read the terms of the license before they use the content? By this logic, saying that you didn't cause any economic damage because the software is freely available ought to be a valid reason to violate the terms of the GNU GPL.
Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by Kim_Bruning on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:11AM (#30137821)
This is called copyleft trolling, and is a problem outside Germany as well. It's a known bug in early CC licenses, and has been fixed as of CC 4.0 .

https://doctorow.medium.com/a-bug-in-early-creative-commons-...

(action still required: authors need to update to CC 4.0 or later)

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by Aeolun on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:32AM (#30136082)
And they decided to pay? FFS… well, that was certainly educational.

It has a very chilling effect on innovation no doubt.

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by faeyanpiraat on Sunday January 30, 2022 @07:58AM (#30136781)
You are doing Your Thing™ and the lawyers are doing Their Thing™, and you are both incompetent at the other one.

The worst you could do to a lawyer is that maybe you could embarrass them about their lack of network engineering knowledge, but they in turn can extract real money from you through various means.

Also defending oneself results in involving a different lawyer enriching lawyers as a whole anyways.

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by Aeolun on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:31AM (#30137980)
> maybe you could embarrass them about their lack of network engineering knowledge

I’m fairly certain it’s possible to do much worse to a laywer, especially a technically clueless one.

Defending oneself from a frivolous lawsuit (e.g. judge has already said ‘you can’t do that’) in a sensible country like Germany might not cost you anything.

Much, much more likely however, is that they wouldn’t go to court at all (because, you know, they would lose, and even if both sides pay their own cost they’d lose more money than they could potentially make).

Re:GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by us... by croes on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:47AM (#30136200)
Spreading your data across the internet is the real nightmare