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Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by cmroanirgo on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @07:41PM (#30094399)
"Loss Leader" is the term and the problem.

A wholesaler sells to a reseller at their usual price. Reseller deliberately sells less than RRP & sometimes less than their buy price. It's a good way to guarantee the reseller "owns" the market. Then, if the reseller is big enough and has captured the market, has the leverage to tell the wholesaler to lower the wholesale price and/or the reseller gets it made elsewhere and becomes the wholesaler.

It's pretty nasty.

It happened to my family business. A big box chain sold the same products for less than their buy price. We were close friends with the wholesaler ( a timber mill), and the sales rep even went to the big box to get them to lift their price.

2 years after shutting us down, the big box store sells the same product, from the same source, for 50% more than we ever used to sell it for.

Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by fragmede on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:07PM (#30095242)
It's more nefarious than simple loss-leadering and undercutting your competitor's margins. That's business 101. Amazon is playing business 201. Amazon took over pricing for the widget, and then undercut that price with their own. Stay with me for a second because 201 is kinda complicated.

Widget usually sells for $25. Amazon agrees to buy 1 from you at $20 (you give them a volume discount because it's Amazon buying so you figure it'll sell like hotcakes. You still make a profit at $20.). Amazon then prices your widget on their marketplace for $30. Seems fine so far. The trick is that Amazon turns around and sells their widget, made by an alternate supplier, for $23.

Your deal with Amazon means you no longer have control over how much your widget sells for, just that you're selling them to Amazon at $20 and Amazon gets to charge however much they want.

To no one's surprise, your widget, priced at $30, doesn't sell because Amazon's is $23. You're not allowed to turn around and sell them on Amazon's marketplace at all, so they just sit there at $30 and don't sell.

Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by granzymes on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:36PM (#30095477)
Is there any evidence this happened? It seems like companies would simply leave the "sold by Amazon" program, and quickly.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by YeBanKo on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:34PM (#30096250)
Its actually right in the posted link:

The “Sold by Amazon” program resulted in prices for some products increasing when Amazon programmed its pricing algorithm to match the prices that certain external retailers offer to online consumers.

As a result, when prices increased, some sellers experienced a marked decline in the sales and resulting profits from products enrolled in the program. Faced with price increases, online customers sometimes opted to buy Amazon’s own branded products — particularly its private label products. This resulted in Amazon maximizing its own profits regardless of whether consumers paid a higher price for sales of products enrolled in the “Sold by Amazon” program or settled for buying the same or similar product offered through Amazon.

Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by granzymes on Thursday January 27, 2022 @02:44AM (#30097495)
Yes, I read that. It doesn't address my point, which is that merchants would just leave the program if they faced declining sales.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by bogwog on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:57PM (#30104582)
Are you asking if a seller would leave, or could leave? To the former the answer is obviously “yes they would”, to the latter idk.

But regardless, even if they are allowed to leave the program, that doesn’t make it any less illegal.

Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by KittenInABox on Thursday January 27, 2022 @11:54AM (#30102882)
Where would they go? Amazon is where the customers are. This is the problem.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by granzymes on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:18PM (#30103232)
They’d go back to selling outside of this program. They don’t need to leave Amazon to do that.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by donarb on Thursday January 27, 2022 @10:22AM (#30101589)
Amazon is actually fixing the price that you are selling on Amazon matched to what other sites are selling. There's no point in leaving if you're selling your widget on other platforms for the same price.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by dash2 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:26PM (#30096204)
The article says so.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by erik_seaberg on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:35PM (#30096258)
That sounds like pretty normal branding. I can get a powered hub for $20 from BUNCHALETTERZ who will disappear without a trace next quarter, or $35 from Anker that I’m pretty sure won’t burn down my apartment.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by TehCorwiz on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:43PM (#30096303)
Yeah, but normally your competitor doesn't get to choose the price of YOUR widget.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by eslaught on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:47AM (#30096662)
Is that true? This sounds like typical white label type stuff that you'd see at the grocery store. Safeway sells Safeway brand X and also name brand X, and presumably chooses the prices for both.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by josefx on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:34AM (#30097819)
The grocery store probably has less incentive to abuse the relationship since the shelf space both products take up in the store is limited and valuable.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by galago on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @08:46PM (#30095040)
There used to be a restaurant chain called "Boston Market" (there are a few left). One of their signature products was cooked rotisserie chickens. What killed them was not a direct competitor, but the fact that Costco did, and still sells a similar product at a one dollar loss per chicken. The loss leader is going on forever.
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by DoneWithAllThat on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @08:48PM (#30095052)
They have over 300 locations…
Re:Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program n... by eru on Thursday January 27, 2022 @04:07AM (#30098054)
Why does this have to be a loss leader? I'm pretty sure Costco can probably make a profit on that chicken?