Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by grandinj on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:02AM
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That's a fairly common attitude in poorer countries - there is an expectation that if you are wealthy, you have (at the very least) an obligation to provide employment.
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Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by thombat on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:56AM
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From Hilaire Belloc, of pre-war (1911) Britain:
Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
It is the business of the wealthy man
To give employment to the artisan.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by Little_Fish on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:01AM
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I think this has a lot of truth. My brother was based in the Philippines for a while for work and was expected to have at least a housekeeper and a chauffeur. I think having a driver was a very reasonable safety measure given the traffic there too. At the time it seemed very ostentatious to us at home, but it was totally the norm.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by frenchy on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:40AM
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Car ownership, especially in Manila, is also not the norm there. There's over 110 million people on a handful of small islands. Also, public transit is way more efficient there than anywhere in North America.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by Little_Fish on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:47AM
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True - it was better to hire a chauffeur who had his own car than to buy a car (also traffic was crazy). He is from the UK - Public transport is pretty good in the UK and across much of Europe. As I recall, there were issues with terrorist bombing shopping centres and public transport in Manila at the time, so I think he avoided both.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by jiggunjer on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:16AM
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But expat doesn't automatically mean wealthy.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by stavros on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:28AM
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It does, otherwise they're called immigrants.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by soapdog on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @07:59AM
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That is not how it was taught to me. Expat is when your job moves you to a new country, as in "you're an expatriate employee". Immigrant is when you move for your own reasons. Expats are expected to come back to their original country, or move to a third one at some time. Immigrants are establishing themselves in the new country.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by ben_w on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:05AM
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I have always understood it to be an example of English irregular language: “I am an expat, you are an immigrant, they are economic migrants.” —https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotive_conjugation
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:53AM
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Expats usually don’t have immigrant visas. They also receive packages from their companies for their temporary assignments. If you go to the country on your own to fund a job, you usually won’t be referred to as an expat by those with packages who refer to themselves as expats. But you won’t be referred to as a migrant worker either unless you are poor and doing construction or farm work. We used the term half-pats to describe ourselves, but mostly it was just foreigners.
The USA is exceptional because almost every visa that allows for work is considered an immigration visa (eg H1 leads to a greencard, eventually). But in other countries that is most definitely not true.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by bluishgreen on Friday January 28, 2022 @01:11PM
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H1 does not lead to a green card. Infact H1 approval receipt will show Temporary Non Immigrant Worker visa. You have to apply to get a green card, entirely separate.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by fxtentacle on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:05AM
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Or "backpackers" - which seems to be secret code for: stay away, these people (usually guys) cause more trouble than they are worth.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by darkwater on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:13AM
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No, backpackers in SE Asia are still mostly on the expat side. Even if they are broken students on a sabbatical year, they mostly have families home that can back them up in case of need. (Exceptions apply, YMMV etc etc.)
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by fxtentacle on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:25AM
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I agree with you that most westerners who travel to SE Asia will still be considered as "expats" by the locals.
What I meant to say is that those people who the locals consider not "expat" anymore, but "backpacker" instead, must really have fallen low.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a...
by BurningFrog on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:02PM
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My interpretation has always been that an expat is abroad temporarily, while an immigrant intends to stay permanently.
I came to the US as an expat, but became an immigrant.
If you tend to see racism behind every raised eyebrow, you can of course also see this terminology as racist.