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Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by native_samples on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:32PM (#30076802)
Where? In the UK hospitals are quiet for this time of year (less than 80% loaded which for the UK is quiet), and deaths are below the 5 year running average.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by fpgaminer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:41PM (#30076948)
In the U.S. at least:

> There are two states and 618 counties that require circuit breakers (i.e. short-term mitigation measures needed to preserve hospital functioning) at this point because their hospitals are at or above 100% capacity (assuming that the number of staffed beds has not increased in the past week). Medical military personnel have already been dispatched to a number of hospitals across the nation. Nebraska also joined a short list of states that have enacted its Crisis Standards of Care plan. But community-wide efforts to reduce spread desperately need to be taken, too. Fourteen additional states are at high risk of exceeding 100% hospital capacity in the next 1-10 days.

Source: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affa...

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by jbirer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:47PM (#30077032)
Americans also have higher dates of obesity and diabetes though so it doesn't surprise me.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by encoderer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:52PM (#30077097)
It’s mild. Everybody is getting it and that strains hospitals but it’s a mild illness and many infected people won’t even be tested let alone seek treatment.

How much evidence do you need of this being a mild variant?

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by fivea on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:11PM (#30078085)
> It’s mild. Everybody is getting it and that strains hospitals but it’s a mild illness and many infected people won’t even be tested let alone seek treatment.

It really is not. It's mild to double- and triple-vaccinated individuals living in highly vaccinated populations. They get the shot, they brush it aside

The poor souls who didn't managed to get vaccinated, or didn't wanted to, represent the bulk of the hospitalized population and deaths.

The key factor is that the world has spent the last year bulking on vaccines, precisely to allow any infection to be at most mild. And now that we're seeing highly vaccinated populations being exposed and developing mostly mild cases are we now supposed to pretend that vaccines don't exist and the disease suddenly got tame? In whose head does this even compute?

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by Closi on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:48AM (#30084385)
> The poor souls who didn't managed to get vaccinated, or didn't wanted to, represent the bulk of the hospitalized population and deaths.

This is only part of the picture - it's actually the people that are unvaccinated and are very old or have comorbidities that represent the majority of deaths.

But we also shouldn't exclude that a large majority of people are dying with Covid-19 at the moment rather than because of Covid (i.e. as c20% of deaths at the moment are within a month of a positive covid test, and c5% of the population likely had Covid in the last month, we can imply that 5% of deaths would have Covid anyway if it had no impact on morbidity, so about 25% (at least) of those Covid deaths are people dying with covid. This is likely an underestimate considering Covid is probably spreading in hospitals).

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by encoderer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:26PM (#30078301)
I believe you truly have bought the full narrative. I’m boosted I’m not anti vax but I’ll give you one data point that contradicts your claim:

South Africa vax rate is 52%. Their health officials have declared it to be mild.

It’s mild.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by dang on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:32PM (#30106125)
Please make your substantive points without personal swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by kurthr on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:52PM (#30077087)
It would appear that a country that is over 90% vaccinated and 60% boosted is having ~440 deaths a day with roughly 15k admitted to the hospital (ignoring simple ER visits) that week. It's worth noting that the 10% unvaccinated (even though skewed younger) are ~5x overrepresented at ~50% of the hospitalizations. It's about half as high as the peak last Jan although ventilators are less in use and treatments are better.

From your dashboard: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by iso1210 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:15PM (#30077435)
Pre covid, the UK typically had 1400 deaths a day in the winter. It's a little higher at the moment, but nowhere near 400.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Be careful about who is in covid because of non-covid reasons that just happen to have covid, compared with those who are in hospital because of covid.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by kurthr on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:33PM (#30077648)
Did you look at that plot on page 2?

Choosing what certainly looks like a single dramatic outlier point which is 2 weeks older than the dashboard certainly seems like cherry picking.

Just look at the current dashboard data it shows ~440 deaths per day for the last 2 weeks. Again:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Also note that there almost aren't deaths from other flus over the last 2 years, likely because they don't have an R value >1 due to masking etc.

Look, I'm all for getting back to normal and letting the unvaccinated (and old, poor, sick) die off as god intended, but let's not pretend it's all due to a lack of joyful evenings in the pub.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by kurthr on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:07PM (#30077311)
Actually, now I'm intrigued. It would appear that the total annual death rate in the UK is about 135k/yr or 370/day. So the last couple of weeks of the current Omicron wave exceeds the typical average death rate from all causes from 2010-2018 (scaled for population).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by MikeAmelung on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:29PM (#30077602)
Close, you're only off by ~465,000
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by native_samples on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:38PM (#30077692)
Up to 70% of the "COVID patients" in UK hospitals at the moment are there for other reasons:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/20/call-scrap-daily...

"Call to phase out statistics comes as it emerges that up to 70pc of virus patients in hospital being primarily treated for other problems"

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by Closi on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:51PM (#30077086)
In the UK our healthcare system is overloaded though because of 2 years of lockdown policy postponing any elective surgeries.

You are right on your figures though - when you look at excess deaths over 5 years there has been much fewer deaths because of Covid than the official figures would have you believe, but the impact of lockdown will be felt for many years to come.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by native_samples on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @08:42AM (#30085231)
It is both overloaded and not working at full capacity simultaneously, due to chaotic and foolish rules.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by rich_sasha on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:57PM (#30078687)
True, and thank goodness, but also because hospitals kicked out everyone they could ahead of the wave.

In a “normal” winter there would be more regular patients in the hospitals.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by iso1210 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:56PM (#30077144)
Do you have a link to UK hospitalisation figures?
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by dzhiurgis on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:38PM (#30076899)
UK has somewhat decent (50%) booster uptake
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by OnlyMortal on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:08PM (#30077333)
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by iso1210 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:19PM (#30077476)
64.3% currently. 83.9% have had 2 doses.