News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by fuzzy2 on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:23AM (#30055195)
That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

Also, as you can see in a screenshot on TFA: Some services are simply dirt cheap. The storage account and its various “sub-services” is such a thing. It’s hard to compete with dedicated hardware here.

Depending on your dedicated hosting provider, the traffic cost trap exists, too. Hetzner is a bit of a special case.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by ghughes on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:54AM (#30055431)
> ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc

These things are now trivial enough that it doesn't make sense to pay 10x the cost of bare metal for a cloud provider to solve them for you unless you have a crazy amount of runway or absolutely no idea what you're doing.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by snovv_crash on Monday January 24, 2022 @08:46AM (#30057492)
Or unless your traffic is so low that the marginal cost differences are something you can swallow.

I've been running something on AppEngine for 10 years and it costs me less than $1 a month. Not sure I could find a cheaper VPS.

On the other hand, I also manage a Mediawiki install, and a cheap Hetzner VPS works great for this.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by sildur on Monday January 24, 2022 @05:09AM (#30055571)
> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

apt install unattended-upgrades. And Hetzner's firewall.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by dx034 on Monday January 24, 2022 @05:23AM (#30055694)
And cloudflare tunnel which allows you to block even ports 80 and 443. The only attack vector is then through ssh but with passwords disabled I wouldn't worry too much about that.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by speedgoose on Monday January 24, 2022 @05:38AM (#30055837)
By the way, unattended-upgrades is enabled by default nowadays.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by dx034 on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:55AM (#30055441)
Most cloud users will have a VM somewhere which you also have to manage.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by stickfigure on Monday January 24, 2022 @06:13AM (#30056117)
Not at all. GCP, AWS, and Digital Ocean all have PaaS/serverless systems that eliminate the concept of VM (from your perspective). I haven't managed a production VM in many years.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by PetahNZ on Monday January 24, 2022 @07:20AM (#30056758)
Even Elastic Beanstalk, which is just EC2 instances have a checkbox for automatic 0 down time updates.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by Nextgrid on Monday January 24, 2022 @08:32PM (#30066717)
Debian and derivatives have unattended-upgrades too.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by creshal on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:28AM (#30055238)
> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

Hetzner also offers managed servers where all this is taken care of, for relatively fair prices.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by sourcecodeplz on Monday January 24, 2022 @05:56AM (#30055981)
Basically the $40 server becomes $80 when managed by them.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by KingOfCoders on Monday January 24, 2022 @06:06AM (#30056063)
You can use their cloud offering $4/month, 20TB traffic.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by FpUser on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:47AM (#30058207)
>"That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone."

Typical FUD. On modern servers and the type of software it occupies very little time. You'd spend more managing your cloud architecture.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by BlueTemplar on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:39PM (#30061009)
Arguably Hetzner is a cloud operator too. I guess it's a spectrum...