Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by cyb_ on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:28PM
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In case you are wondering:
> Named davemaoite after prominent geophysicist Ho-kwang (Dave) Mao, the mineral is the first example of a high-pressure calcium silicate perovskite (CaSiO3) found on Earth.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by version_five on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:44PM
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The most interesting part or me was that the diamond came from 600km below the earth's surface. Maybe this is common knowledge, not for me. It's pretty cool to think that we have access to such things. If we could dig down that far, would there be an abundance of diamonds?
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by djdjfhsje33edh on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:52PM
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The article says the diamond formed at that depth, but I assume the rock rose to a higher depth before it was extracted. I believe the deepest depth to which we have drilled is on the order of 10 km.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by franga2000 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @03:13AM
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I've alway wondered why they never went deeper. Turns out the answer is in hindsight obvious, but very unsettling:
> The unexpected decrease in density, the greater porosity, and the unexpectedly high temperatures caused the rock to behave somewhat like a plastic, making drilling nearly impossible.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by alan-crowe on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:03AM
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We could use the unexpectedly high temperatures as a heat source for geothermal energy. Make money selling the energy for ten, twenty years,... until the temperatures fall and the rock becomes rigid. Then drill another kilometer, funded from the geophysical exploration budget.
Temperature too high again? Have a long pause to make a little money from geothermal energy.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by neurostimulant on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:35PM
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Geothermal plants can trigger earthquakes [1], so it's probably unwise to build a lot more geothermal plants to meet global energy needs without addressing that risk first, especially near populated areas.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by loonster on Saturday January 22, 2022 @08:01PM
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A few micrometers in size. I dont think in micrometers, so I must convert to a more familiar unit. A few .001mm in size. That's tiny. An average piece of paper is .1mm thick. This is around the size of the thickness of ink on the paper.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by JshWright on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:49PM
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Yeah, for folks with experience in machining (in the US), this is a "tenth" (a pretty fundamental unit in machining is a thousandth of an inch, or a "thou", for very high precision work, that can be divided into "tenths", or ten thousandths of an inch).
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by YZF on Saturday January 22, 2022 @11:48PM
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A mil, or a thou, really isn't good enough for high precision work. 25.4 microns is a lot. A surface flat to that isn't really that flat. An instrument that measures to that isn't really a very high precision instrument. Microns are a pretty good unit.
EDIT: There's this rule of thumb (I might be getting this slightly wrong) that one in a million accuracy/precision is about what you can expect to achieve without resulting to exotic means (at least order of magnitude). So microns of flatness over a meter e.g. Trying that with imperial units just breaks my mind, what's a million mils. Sure I can calculate that. But it's like a pretty useless measure. So accuracy of one thou over a million mils is sort of weird. (1000 inches which I'd have to translate to some normal unit... 25.4 meters ;) ).
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by jbay808 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:48AM
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I think YZF just mis-parsed your sentence, and thought you meant a thou is for very high precision work, while you meant that a tenth is for very high precision work.
(That said, I'd add -- measuring to one part in 10^6, for anything except time, is challenging but still very doable; machining to one part in 10^6, for anything beyond very simple shapes, does require pretty exotic methods or very great care, and to verify it you have to measure to one part in 10^7).
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by JshWright on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:53PM
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You joke, but this would (perhaps even more absurdly, really) be called a "tenth" by most people who care about imperial units at this scale (as explained in a sibling comment)
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by version_five on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:39PM
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This is pretty anti-intellectual isn't it? People, in my opinion rightly, make fun of measures expressed in libraries of congress or Olympic pools or African elephants, and then an article actually uses a normal SI measure and that gets disparaged too? What are authors supposed to do?
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by sgc on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:52PM
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There was nothing disparaging about the comment. There is also nothing anti-intellectual about comparing things you don't know to things you do, in order to contextualize information. And he did that by first converting to mm, so did not abandon SI measurements at all. I agree that when we are talking about more common measurements it can be gratuitous or grandstanding, much like talking about things over 1x size in percent, as e.g. 450% bigger, etc. But that is not the case here.
Re:Diamond hauled from deep inside Earth holds never-before-...
by ineedasername on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:50PM
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It's always strange to thing of the vast distances we can send things into space compared to our inability to travel extremely short distances beneath our feet.
> Named davemaoite after prominent geophysicist Ho-kwang (Dave) Mao, the mineral is the first example of a high-pressure calcium silicate perovskite (CaSiO3) found on Earth.
> The unexpected decrease in density, the greater porosity, and the unexpectedly high temperatures caused the rock to behave somewhat like a plastic, making drilling nearly impossible.
Temperature too high again? Have a long pause to make a little money from geothermal energy.
[1] https://news.stanford.edu/2019/05/23/lessons-south-korea-sol...
EDIT: There's this rule of thumb (I might be getting this slightly wrong) that one in a million accuracy/precision is about what you can expect to achieve without resulting to exotic means (at least order of magnitude). So microns of flatness over a meter e.g. Trying that with imperial units just breaks my mind, what's a million mils. Sure I can calculate that. But it's like a pretty useless measure. So accuracy of one thou over a million mils is sort of weird. (1000 inches which I'd have to translate to some normal unit... 25.4 meters ;) ).
I'm definitely not claiming it's a good, I'm just describing the system I have seen used in the handful of machine shops I've spent time in.
(That said, I'd add -- measuring to one part in 10^6, for anything except time, is challenging but still very doable; machining to one part in 10^6, for anything beyond very simple shapes, does require pretty exotic methods or very great care, and to verify it you have to measure to one part in 10^7).