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Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by heyitsguay on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:40AM (#30010214)
Less "no fun allowed" generic conspiracy stuff, more "hey, these are the consequences to some of that fun, please keep them in mind as you establish the risk level you're comfortable with".
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by tasha0663 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:43AM (#30010272)
The advocacy tips at the end of the brief are shockingly anti-fun.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by heyitsguay on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:50AM (#30010369)
These ones?

> Cost-effective interventions to reduce alcohol consumption include strengthening restrictions on alcohol availability, enforcing bans on alcohol advertising, and facilitating access to screening and treatment.

"Restrictions on alcohol availability" could be anti-fun if implemented in the extreme (hopefully we've learned prohibition doesn't work), the other two are pretty standard.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by slackfan on Thursday January 20, 2022 @12:15PM (#30011715)
>hopefully we've learned prohibition doesn't work

As a world, we absolutely have not. And any insane policy will be backed up by very reasonable scientific evidence.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by the_only_law on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:59AM (#30010542)
I am kinda curious what they mean by that? Would I no longer be able to get beer at the gas station or something?
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by lkbm on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:51AM (#30010386)
Which ones? They say to regulate who can sell alcohol, raise prices/taxes, raise the drinking age, limit advertising, add prominent warnings...I guess those first few are arguably "anti-fun", but they don't seem especially so.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by malfist on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:58AM (#30010535)
Speed limits are also anti-fun.

Being anti-fun isn't an argument against regulation

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by slackfan on Thursday January 20, 2022 @12:21PM (#30011777)
Speed limits are primarily environmental regulation and have little to nothing to do with safety. By extention, they happen to be anti-fun.

The Autobahn is still not a 24/7 disaster zone of dead bodies and scrapped cars last time I checked.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by malfist on Thursday January 20, 2022 @12:25PM (#30011830)
Sure, interstate speedlimits are somewhat about gas mileage. But I'm going to need some citation from you that a 25mph speedlimit in a residential area is about environmental impacts and not safety.

Sure the autobahn isn't a meat grinder, but there's a difference between safe and unsafe, and unsafe doesn't mean everyone dies.

Regardless, doesn't matter if the regulation is for safety or environmental protection, being "anti-fun" isn't an argument against them.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by slackfan on Thursday January 20, 2022 @12:37PM (#30012010)
https://ww2.motorists.org/issues/speed-limits/truth/#:~:text....

well, you can take it up with the National Motorists' Association, they have the stats.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by malfist on Thursday January 20, 2022 @02:42PM (#30013691)
I'm sorry, but that's an opinion piece written by a very biased source. This organization was founded to oppose the 55mph speedlimit back in the 80s and since then have moved on to things like opposing drunk driving laws. Sure they claim all kinds of stats in that blog you linked, but they provide no sources for those stats.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by sebow on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:55AM (#30010480)
The problem is that a general statement like "no alcohol is good for the heart" is that it is probably factually wrong.And I base this on the fact that grapes for example is known to be a very good fruit for all-things blood and especially red cells.(Most notably iron here).This is not pseudo-science.

And while yes, you could say "that's not alcohol itself" and that's correct, but obviously not all alcohol is equivalent, and also you cannot exactly separate alcohol and examine it in a vacuum.Alcohol is not consumed purely in the vast majority of cases.

Generally speaking if the institution name starts with "World" or "Global", it's more likely to say something to be accepted by virtually everyone, and most often that will sound dystopian and bullsh1t.The prohibition did not work(and i say this as someone who drinks maybe <=5 times a year, very much liking to stay lucid but also acknowledging the benefits of such an experience when i do).The drug on war did not work.Institutions want to regulate any substance that deviates thought from the mainstream hivemind narrative.Your statement can easily be deconstructed by more than 2000 years of written history where people battled whether consumed drugs and especially alcohol is or not beneficial for health.With the exceptions of exaggeration in certain cultures(see alcoholism in russia) this is not an issue.The other exaggeration happened in US with Prohibition and we've seen that's also not desirable, and it promotes drinking irresponsibly.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by FredPret on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:43AM (#30010270)
I took up regular drinking about 15 years ago based on the then-prevailing medical advice to have one or two a day for your heart.

It’s important to give people correct medical information. I’m now off the wagon completely.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by stefan_ on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:44AM (#30010282)
Alcohol is fun like cigarettes are cool. It's marketing.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by beaconstudios on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:52AM (#30010410)
Alcohol is also fun because it lowers inhibitions and makes people do stupid things they ordinarily wouldn't. Cigarettes being cool is definitely a marketing thing though.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by hammock on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:48AM (#30010342)
Depends how much you drink.

And I mean, cigarettes are cool. There's a reason they still exist as a trope in movies and it's not all due to marketing. It lends something to the character.

That's not to say there isn't or can't be a healthier replacement, of course.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by happytoexplain on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:44AM (#30010287)
I'm not getting that kind of attitude from this document. It seems to just be a holistic counterpoint to the "common knowledge" that "a little bit of alcohol can be good for the heart". What is this intense negativity you're sarcastically paraphrasing?
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by neom on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:47AM (#30010318)
I used this argument to myself for years so I could ignore my alcoholism. Well if the French and Italians drink as much wine as they do, a bottle or 4 a day is probably good for me.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:41AM (#30010230)
You know, most (Americans) drink little or no alcohol. The cult of alcohol is certain they cannot live without it, which is part of the problem perhaps. But most do live without it. And are not eating bugs.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by streblo on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:48AM (#30010340)
The NIH itself says different:

* 85.6 percent of people ages 18 and older reported that they drank alcohol at some point in their lifetime

* 69.5 percent reported that they drank in the past year

* 54.9 percent reported that they drank in the past month

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh...

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by happytoexplain on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#30010446)
While a little unclear on details, this seems to put the parent's assertion well within the realm of possibility. 45% of people had nothing to drink in the past month. It's therefore believable, barring additional data, that the majority of people drink at most a "little", as the parent put it. Are you interpreting this differently?
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by mindcrime on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:57AM (#30010515)
54.9 percent reported that they drank in the past month

Consider this: I am in the group that can say "they drank in the last month." It is also simultaneously true that I "drink little or no alcohol" (by any reasonable standard).

How can that be? Well, if you took my last 12 months worth of alcohol consumption and calculated my "average drinks per month" the number would round to 0. So yes, I do drink, and by happenstance it happens that I've had a drink in the last month. But I think that easily qualifies as "little or no alcohol".

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by 988747 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @11:05AM (#30010654)
This question shouldn't be asked in January (because of all those New Years Eve celebrations) :)
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by NickBusey on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:46AM (#30010311)
This sounded wrong to me, so I did a simple search. This study from the NIAA of the NIH seems to suggest what you said is incorrect. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh...

Most Americans do drink.

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by mindcrime on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#30010452)
Most Americans do drink.

That doesn't contradict what the person you are replying to said. They said most Americans drink "little or no" alcohol, not "no alcohol".

Why is it that on the Internet almost everyone seems to silently remove/ignore qualifiers like that, and treat everything as a binary dichotomy???

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by happytoexplain on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:58AM (#30010540)
Yeah, currently there are three people using the same data to "disprove" the parent, which is baffling to me. As I said in another reply, 45% of people had no alcohol in the past month, so "most Americans drink a little or not at all" seems plausible, or at least not disproved by this data. I understand disagreeing with that sentiment (there are plenty of rational arguments that most people drink more than "a little"), but why harm the image of one's motivation by purposefully omitting critical details from the post one is responding to?
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by fastball on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:46AM (#30010304)
Source that most Americans drink little or no alcohol? Apparently in 2019, 54.9% of respondents[1] had alcohol in the last month. And I would imagine polls like this are generally under-reported, not over.

[1] https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh...

Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by lkbm on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:58AM (#30010526)
I drank alcohol in the past month. I drink about once a month. I'd assume that that counts as "little or no alcohol". Thus, if just 1/11 of those 54.9% are like me, his statement to be true.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by mindcrime on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:59AM (#30010568)
I'm in the same boat. I drink, I just drink very little. I don't see any reason to think this behavior is particularly exceptional.
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by zeku on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:49AM (#30010362)
It's just medical advice...
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by lkbm on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#30010464)
It also recommends some social policies to encourage people to follow said advice, though they seem like pretty tame recommendations to me. (To be fair I hate the "you can't buy a beer at 11:45am on a Sunday" rule where I live, but it's not especially harsh.)
Re:No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World He... by Mystlix on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:49AM (#30010355)
Could you please explain to me the logical link between the scientific evidence that alchol is harmful in any quantity and the concepts of "having fun" and being a "slave to society"? Let's also overlook your dogwhistle regarding "eating the bugs"