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Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by brokenmachine on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:28PM (#29988695)
I'm saying there should be a law where the govt punishes the company.

If the law needs me as an individual consumer to procure my own team of lawyers to go up against a multinational every time I buy a new TV, then that law might as well not exist.

Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by db48x on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:59PM (#29989387)
The damages would probably only qualify for small–claims court. These cases don’t take much time to present or judge, and the evidence you need is quite straight forward. Consulting with a lawyer on the matter, if you wanted that extra assurance, wouldn’t cost much.
Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by brokenmachine on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @10:19PM (#29989530)
I was exaggerating a bit for effect.

I consider my time for a day off work, travel to court, preparation, irritation, etc more than the value of the TV, and they probably wouldn't pay me damages for those things.

The point is that I shouldn't have to do that as an individual for every purchase.

We need a blanket rule that they can't remotely modify purchased items in a way that cannot be rolled-back by the consumer to the functionality at the time of purchase.

Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by db48x on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @10:23PM (#29989572)
I agree with you there, but you won’t get it if you don’t force them to refund you. Things will just continue as they are.
Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by amelius on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @03:56AM (#29991378)
Just buy the company-tethered stuff and return it. It's your right as a consumer, and one of the few ways to take action and make it hurt.
Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by brokenmachine on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:01PM (#30003931)
I can't just automatically return stuff.

I'm in Australia. Although we're covered by what I consider to be pretty good consumer guarantees, you can still only demand a refund in the case of a "major problem" with the product.

I don't think simply being unhappy with it connecting outside would qualify, although IMO it should.

https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/refund...

What are the rules on returning stuff where you are?

Can you just buy a TV, use it for 6 months, and return it no questions asked?

If so, it sounds ripe for abuse, and surprisingly lenient especially if it's the US where I thought there were much less consumer guarantees.

Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by db48x on Thursday January 20, 2022 @05:21AM (#30007025)
It depends on the retailer, but probably you won’t be able to return it for a refund. You should attempt it though, or at least be able to present the retailer’s return policy as evidence in small–claims court.
Re:Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their tread... by HWR_14 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @11:06PM (#29989836)
This is why punitive damages exist. Because you can sometimes get a lawyer to work on your case with no cash. So they can collect a large percentage of those punitive damages.