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Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by HWR_14 on Sunday January 16, 2022 @08:35AM (#29955868)
Hosting is under 70k a year. You can get good sysadmins for under 35k/year? Minus the actual costs of hosting?

420k a year is the total for the organization. It includes salaries, administration, etc.

Cost breakdown: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Si3PMUJGR9KrpE5lngSk...

Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by foepys on Sunday January 16, 2022 @09:23AM (#29956192)
Just because you are using AWS/GCP/Azure doesn't mean that you don't need sysadmins. They are called DevOps engineers then.
Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by brianwawok on Sunday January 16, 2022 @11:27AM (#29957302)
I scaled my SaaS pretty far with no sysadmin nor Devops, nor any plans to acquire either. I know enough to setup some cloud servers, but I’m not qualified to manage barebones Linux at scale. The hacker news go rent a Hertzer trope is rather tired. If it was better, why aren’t more people picking it?
Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by vasco on Sunday January 16, 2022 @11:57AM (#29957597)
The type of people that colocate or generally avoid the cloud for cost reasons in my experience don't overlap a lot with the "I write blog posts about everything I do" crowd.
Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by noogle on Sunday January 16, 2022 @12:01PM (#29957641)
Because often someone else is paying for it (organization/investor/government) or the money cannot be used for something else. Another common reason is as a way to circumvent internal politics.

In my experience, whenever someone actually had to "foot the bill" for the AWS premium, your argument that the cloud is cheaper overall came under a very heavy scrutiny, including justifying those extra "9s" that increase administration effort.

Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by paulgb on Sunday January 16, 2022 @11:25AM (#29957280)
The budget lists system administration cost at $12,875.29. Presumably that's not a full-time sysadmin. And there's no line-item for a devops engineer.

So administration costs aren't zero today, but I suspect they'd be higher if they moved off the cloud.

Re:It takes $420k per year to run Lichess by nly on Sunday January 16, 2022 @08:51AM (#29955967)
25% for site administration and moderation.