Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by thematrixturtle on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:11AM
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Speaking as someone hiring engineers in APAC, it's extremely difficult to find developers who are competent, experienced and have sufficient command of English to operate in an English-speaking team. The few that tick all three boxes and have in-demand tech skills (ML, k8s, AWS etc) can command Silicon Valley level salaries even in their home countries.
Of course the pool will expand over time and the situation will look different in 10 years, bit nevertheless the English requirement will remain a blocker for many, many engineers who could otherwise code circles around a random mid-level American programmer.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by wyclif on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:02AM
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Talk to me! I'm not that experienced, but I'm trying to get into the Junior DevOps space and get some good work experience under my belt while living in an APAC time zone, but the difference with me is that I'm a native English speaker from the Acela corridor in the US with the highest caliber of written and spoken English fluency. If that sounds like something you can accept (i.e., hungry junior guy who is eager to learn and accept training, certification, et.al), my email is in my profile.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by thematrixturtle on Saturday January 15, 2022 @04:15AM
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Sorry, but it sounds like you're missing the experience bit? But if you speak English and a local language, check out the careers page of your favorite FAANG, there may still be something for you.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by wyclif on Saturday January 15, 2022 @08:55AM
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I have junior level experience in Python, Django, JS, AWS, &c. But what I've found is that most companies are hiring Seniors only.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by oblio on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:40PM
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Word gets out, though. Once people figure out that lack of language skills is the blocker, well, we already know that they're reasonably smart people, they'll learn English.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by ENGNR on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:04AM
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The counterpoint is - it’s very easy to waste a lot of money building very subtly the wrong thing! In theory it shouldn’t matter, if your processes and specifications are perfect. But in practice the closer your engineers deeply understand the problem space of your customers the better
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by goodpoint on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:31AM
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> new talent also bring in new ideas and combat skeptical dispositions and organizational ossification
Ossification happens when most of the employees stay in the same company and even the same team for 20 or 30 years.
The industry is facing the opposite problem, where the average tour of duty is so short that people don't care about planning for the future or designing lasting, low-maintenance software. Endless, unnecessary churn is not cheap.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by quickthrower2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:15AM
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I find its the people most invested - the business owners who don’t care about future planning or low maintenance software. Or more accurately they don’t understand it, they do the equivalent of the false economy of buying cheap
and paying twice. Normally excused by “well we are
growing fast”
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by jimktrains2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:11AM
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Ossification doesn't have to happen though. Continuing education and some time to "practice" and try new things on a smaller scale can do wonders.
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by FpUser on Thursday January 13, 2022 @04:37AM
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>"Covid and WFH opened up a world of possibility for talent sourcing and cost reduction"
I was doing remote work and hiring remote subcontractors for 20 years already. No need for COVID ;)
Re:Toxic culture is driving the great resignation
by quickthrower2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:18AM
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You are ahead of the general “herd” then. Which for 20
years had been either “in the office no remote” or “what if
we outsource it all to India that will cut those annoying costs”
If hiring and churn were huge issues for most companies, they would actively combat it. Instead, they've all mostly settled into the practice you see. Engineers typically do a 1-2 year tour of duty, vest, then bounce onto greener pastures. Steady state flux. In some senses, new talent also bring in new ideas and combat skeptical dispositions and organizational ossification.
Engineering salaries are without a doubt one of the biggest expenses for organizations to deal with. Companies love that they can now hire remotely and pay adjusted cost of living. They'll hire as many workers in middle America as they can, and once enough of the workforce is concentrated outside of expensive cities, you'll see them stop hiring in SF and NY entirely.
But it won't stop there. Startup capital is already beginning to shift to new opportunities in burgeoning emerging markets. Employment will eventually head there too, whether it's chasing after the new capital or simply finding more talent at better market prices. Covid and WFH opened up a world of possibility for talent sourcing and cost reduction. America doesn't have a monopoly on good engineers, just the expensive ones.
I wouldn't be surprised that if in ten years, our salaries begin to dip below six figures. Inflation adjustments notwithstanding.
Make your money now while the iron is still hot.