Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by pmontra on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:19PM
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I always used Ubuntu on my hardware and about 90% Debian derived distros for customers vs a 10% of Red Hat derived ones, some CentOS and some Amazon Linux 2. I really don't like rpm. I do adapt to the different organization of the configuration files but I prefer the Debian one (maybe because of habit.) Most importantly I feel it's easier to google for solutions to Ubuntu problems. Of course I'm also more used to do that, I'm probably at 20 vs 1 Debian/Ubuntu vs RH machines now.
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by plokiju on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:28PM
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I’m a developer who’s pretty much always used Ubuntu, and haven't bothered digging too deep into other distros. What are the modern features I’m missing?
To put it simply: most things that you are enjoying in Ubuntu now first showed up in Fedora months or even years ago.
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by bashinator on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @02:26PM
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The packaging system is what originally brought me to debian and ubuntu; RPM caught up a while back, but apt was better for decades. Stability and easy access to good tooling is what I like about Ubuntu; how is Fedora better?
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by bravetraveler on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @02:52PM
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Fedora is a maintainers dream, in my (limited) opinion.
Things like mock and fedpkg make modifying upstream/bundling your own stuff up super easy. Then add in COPR (like PPAs) and it's a feedback-loop friendly setup
It's also a very "tidy" system to administer for the most part, although sometimes I get tripped up on the "sysconfig" stuff.
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by OnlineGladiator on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @02:22PM
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What does Fedora currently have that Ubuntu is missing?
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by Mikeb85 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:51PM
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Fedora just gets everything sooner. Newer kernels, gnome, packages. But it's still rock solid because of Red Hat/IBM.
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by mathfailure on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @04:18PM
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Well, that's just bullshit.
You either get stuff sooner or get stuff more stable, you can't have 'rock solid' stuff sooner.
Depends what you mean by stable... In my experience, recent Fedora releases don't break. They also have the best laptop compatibility. But if 3rd party software (or your own software) targets specific libs, you need to keep up. Ubuntu is typically about one release cycle behind.
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by hansel_der on Thursday January 13, 2022 @05:22AM
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"the early bird get's the worm, but the second mouse get's the cheese."
Ubuntu feels to me like it’s been feature complete for about ten years and all we really get in the new versions are updated upstream apps and drivers, a stability crapshoot (sometimes better, sometimes worse), and an extension of support. Is Fedora doing anything different?
Fedora is where most of the innovations in Linux happen, because it's an upstream of CentOS Stream, which is an upstream of RHEL.
Re:Framework Laptop with Ubuntu Review
by bradwood on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:55PM
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Manjaro! It gives you the best of Arch without the tinkerers overhead... I've used RHEL, Debian/Ubuntu, Slackware, et al, and Manjaro, for a laptop, is hands-down the best developer distro out there IMHO.
I have to say I agree. I feel like a lot of people seem to think it is a suit and tie enterprise type boring distribution. Its really not. It has similarities to the enterprise distros, but it certainly doesn't feel like RHEL.
Its where the new fun stuff goes first... not so new that it will bite you, but still new enough to be fun to play with. That seems perfectly in line with the marketing I see from framework.
I believe it's the other way around: no other Linux distribution has a higher overlap with the target market of the Framework Laptop than Fedora.
Because unlike Ubuntu, Fedora Workstation has been specifically design for developers, hobbyists, and early adopters[1].
Personally, I only recommend and install Ubuntu for non-technical people, who don't need or care about always having the most modern OS features.
[1] https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/