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Re:The state of external retina displays by xyzzy123 on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:08PM (#29708074)
Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables.

Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down.

Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways.

Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "good" lifespan, and 10 years is exceptional.

So a 4k investment in scissors is a lifetime investment, while a 5k screen may be more like "1k / year for good monitor as a service" (plus 2k off your next refresh).

I think it can still make sense, but very often when people buy the premium in computers or displays they are getting the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later.

Re:The state of external retina displays by minimaul on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:19PM (#29708179)
This is a good comment in general, but:

> I think it can still make sense, but very often when people buy the premium in computers or displays they are getting the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later.

I'd normally agree, but the article's point is that this isn't happening with displays - we're stuck at 4K as the best available except for a handful of displays that are still expensive even years after introduction.

I bought my LG Ultrafine 5K in 2018, and it launched in 2016. There's still no real alternative - we seem to be in a monitor progress limbo.

Re:The state of external retina displays by salamandersauce on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @01:36PM (#29716463)
Resolution is only a single spec. Other things like viewing angles, response time, refresh rate,brightness, HDR, etc. have been getting better and better for less. A premium 1080p monitor from 15 years ago will not be nearly as good as a modern reasoanbly priced one.
Re:The state of external retina displays by gumby on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:58PM (#29709455)
I got one of the 4K ones last year and it was the same price as when introduced. The only price reduction was due to inflation.

I assume the desktop monitor business is so low margin that it’s barely worth investing in these days.

Re:The state of external retina displays by gfxgirl on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:35PM (#29710039)
There's a market of at least 1 (me) waiting for an HD-DPI wide display. All of the 34 - 38 inch displays are LD-DPI :( My LG 38" is 3840x1600. I want it to be 7680x3200 in the same size monitor
Re:The state of external retina displays by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:38PM (#29710056)
Dell offers a 32” 8K monitor. Driving that beast needs two DPs on your graphics card, however.
Re:The state of external retina displays by the_pwner224 on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:24PM (#29708230)
8 years ago you had to pay $1k for a 1440p 27" sRGB IPS panel. 2 years ago I spent $800 on a 4k 27" 144 Hz monitor with >95% P3 coverage.

Or another example: 8 years ago I spent $320 on a 1080p 27" (massive pixels) monitor with horrible color reproduction and contrast. 4 years ago I upgraded to a new monitor and for $300 I was able to get 4k 27" with >100% sRGB.

And when you consider inflation, progress is even greater.

It's the same with GPUs, and to a lesser extent CPUs and memory and storage. Moores law is great in many ways, but as a buyer of high end technology it always stings to see the same thing be 30-50% cheaper a few years later.

Progress does seem to have slowed down within the past few years for monitors. I expect the pandemic is relevant there.

Re:The state of external retina displays by jedbrown on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:40PM (#29708839)
Five years ago, I got a 40-inch 4k@60Hz for under $400. I recently got a 43-inch 4k@60Hz for $450. The new one is lighter and somewhat more color accurate. I don't get the obsession with small pixels; my eyes prefer if I stand/sit a bit further from a bigger monitor, and it's great for pairing/teaching.
Re:The state of external retina displays by dlevine on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:04PM (#29709840)
I spent a while with a 27" 4K monitor. It looked nice in HiDPI modes on my Mac, but I didn't get that much usable screen real estate (I was running it about 1440p). When the pandemic hit and I started working from home every day, I upgraded to a 43" 4k display. I now have the equivalent of 4x 21.5" 1080p displays, which is far more usable than 1x 1440p, even if it doesn't look quite as nice.
Re:The state of external retina displays by irae on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:09PM (#29709863)
Progess is being made specially in lower and medium range of monitors.

Apple took a large leap into giant monitors with high DPI. Most people don't care a lot about it, when you are not that close to the monitor, the retina effect is not worth, for mass market, the cost difference.

In the end, you are both correct. It is slow for the top of the line but super fast for everyone else upgranding mid-range monitors.

Re:The state of external retina displays by depereo on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:42PM (#29708356)
GPU is a bad example. Models purchased in 2016 cost slightly more than that now, secondhand, after 5 years of usage.
Re:The state of external retina displays by the_pwner224 on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:44PM (#29708366)
If you take into account pandemic shortages / price inflation, of course.

But a current $500 (MSRP) GPU thoroughly spanks a 5 year old $500 GPU. Even my 2 year old Radeon 5700xt is feeling out of date.

Re:The state of external retina displays by wtallis on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:15PM (#29709148)
A current-generation $500 MSRP GPU is actually selling for no less than $900, and it's not due to inflation or the pandemic—it's due to cryptocurrency.
Re:The state of external retina displays by setr on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:43PM (#29709348)
I thought crypto’s impact on GPUs largely ended, as they moved into far greater cost/efficiency ratios provided by ASICs? Is it for the non-bitcoin cryptos?
Re:The state of external retina displays by wtallis on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:53PM (#29709418)
Yes, bitcoin mining has long been unprofitable on GPUs and is low-profit with ASICs. But most newer cryptocurrencies are designed specifically to be hard to make affordable ASICs for, usually by requiring GPU-like memory bandwidth. If you participate in a mining pool like NiceHash, your GPU will likely end up being put to work mining something like Monero but the pool will pay out in bitcoin.
Re:The state of external retina displays by yurishimo on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:58PM (#29709459)
For casual miners, they can use mining pools to make money that still pay pretty well. Gamers especially, are buying these cards and then joining a mining pool when not playing games to recoup some of their money.

This unfortunately leads to a cycle of more mining, even if the card isn’t optimized for it, as no card is a net negative cash flow atm even factoring in energy costs.

Re:The state of external retina displays by jen20 on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:02PM (#29709476)
I bought a 30" Apple Cinema Display in the mid-2000s, and gave it away last year to a colleague who wanted to resurrect a period-correct Power Mac after upgrading to 5K screens. Not holding out much hope for the build quality to be the same sadly, but monitors certainly can be decade-long investments! FWIW 5K screens were 1100 apiece from Microcenter - vastly less money than the Cinema Display was in the UK back then!
Re:The state of external retina displays by mgarfias on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:03PM (#29710212)
My kids are rocking my old 23” cinemas, the newest of which is 15 years old.
Re:The state of external retina displays by mastazi on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:21PM (#29709197)
> the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later.

This is very true. I just got a previous-generation top-of-the-line CPU and GPU. It's way more power than I will ever need and if I went for latest gen I could have afforded barely mid-level for the same price[1]. Even taking into account the fact that latest gen is faster, I still got better performance for dollar (20-30% better depending on benchmarks).

[1] With regards to the CPU I'm factoring in the saving of not having to buy a new motherboard.

Re:The state of external retina displays by ivalm on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:22PM (#29708203)
I am guessing scissors, esp if they get sharpened 2x/day will not last multiple decades (because sharpening an edge removes material).
Re:The state of external retina displays by cehrlich on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @07:41AM (#29713199)
High quality scissors, even with constant use, can easily last that long or even longer. Source: I used to work as a tailor. In fact many people in that industry prefer to use older German-made scissors as they are in many ways better than the stuff you can buy now.
Re:The state of external retina displays by Eric_WVGG on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:29PM (#29708270)
He’s almost certainly referring to honing the blades. Actual sharpening would require equipment that would be just ridiculous to have around a hair salon.
Re:The state of external retina displays by cycrutchfield on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:44PM (#29708882)
A stone? A strop with polishing compounds?
Re:The state of external retina displays by ProZsolt on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:00PM (#29708484)
Not necessarily. You can sharpen a knife(and I assume a scissor) with a sharpening steel. Which won't remove any material just straighten the edge.
Re:The state of external retina displays by xyzzy_plugh on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:20PM (#29709183)
Honing is different than sharpening. Sharpening removes material, like a pencil. Honing merely aligns material.

A honing steel doesn't remove material, a sharpening steel does.

Re:The state of external retina displays by greedo on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:07PM (#29709090)
Eventually that folds over after becoming brittle.
Re:The state of external retina displays by urthor on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:15PM (#29708136)
Excellent point.
Re:The state of external retina displays by 14 on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:36PM (#29708317)
How do the batteries wear out in non fixable ways? I always thought you could put in new cells and be back in business.
Re:The state of external retina displays by vvoaterr on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:08PM (#29709096)
Regarding ridiculously-expensive Apple heirloom tools: Go to eBay right now, and buy any Activation-Locked Apple device. It's OK, I'll wait.

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OK, now: try to use it to do something. Anything. Something as simple as write a NOTEPAD note, or play one song from iTunes.

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Nope! You are surely getting screenfulls of information telling you, this Apple device has been locked and only the original owner can unlock it.

I suppose this is to prevent people from stealing Apple devices and reselling them to pawn shops or on eBay and Craigslist, and it must be working. All thieves everywhere must know by now, don't even bother to try to steal an Apple device or a Tesla car, for as soon as you do it gets bricked from all the satellites in space.

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I'm writing this because I bought a nine year old iPad on eBay and have spent the last two weeks trying to get through to AL-SUPPORT Activation Lock support at Apple, asking them to unlock it. And of course they don't care, I am not the original owner of the device, and unless I am, it is as useless as a digital brick. Battery life, screen quality, beautiful craftsmanship of the item itself, nothing matters. It just sits there telling me I'm practically a criminal for even owning this device.

No matter that the original owner gave up on it long ago, when even the simplest apps like YouTube and Gmail stopped working on it, by design, intentional planned-obsolescence coming down from Apple themselves. With the iOS getting relentlessly updated every year, all the apps get forcibly recompiled and anything old just doesn't work any more at all.

They don't care about this device any more. It was just a real-world dongle they used to get information from and about the original owner, information they've got stored in their giant database in the Cloud. They don't really care about me at all.

I imagine the universe is now littered with these devices, an Oort Cloud of them completely surrounding the planet, mentally bricked by annual iOS updates and physically bricked by Activation Locks, I'm a criminal for owning one, and were I to bring it to an Apple store to complain, they would have no useful help for me at all, "Buy a new one!" they'll tell me, "that's our company policy!"

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Who is causing the problem here --- me, or Apple?

Re:The state of external retina displays by minimaul on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:33PM (#29709282)
Depends.

If it was stolen from the original owner then you don't really own the device legally and this is the anti-theft part of activation lock functioning as designed. If you're an innocent third party to the original theft, your remedy is to get a full refund.

If it was just because the original owner forgot to disable activation lock, you should be chasing them to unlock it for you. If they refuse, your remedy is to get a full refund.

edit: reputable recycling places require you to have disabled activation lock on functional devices, or they don't pay out.

Re:The state of external retina displays by xapata on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:41PM (#29709342)
I've got a bizarre situation in which an OS upgrade bricked my Mac. I can't remember the details now, but it was something about an interface change in which I had managed to activate 2FA, but the login interface didn't have an input box for it.

The device was old enough that I just heaved a sigh and gave it to Apple for recycling.

Re:The state of external retina displays by minimaul on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:45PM (#29709371)
There's actually a solution for that: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204915

> What if I use two-factor authentication on a device running older software?

> If you use two-factor authentication with devices running older OS versions – such as an Apple TV (2nd or 3rd generation) – you may be asked to add your six-digit verification code to the end of your password when signing in. Get your verification code from a trusted device running iOS 9 and later or OS X El Capitan and later, or have it sent to your trusted phone number. Then type your password followed by the six-digit verification code directly into the password field.

Re:The state of external retina displays by Nexxxeh on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:21AM (#29710734)
This weirdly works in some other places. Iirc one of the Amazon's seller login pages accepts the 2FA code appended to the password to avoid having to go through another page.
Re:The state of external retina displays by dylan604 on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:45PM (#29709372)
> It just sits there telling me I'm practically a criminal

I mean, you bought stolen goods. The law says you are culpable to some degree. If this was a legit sale, the original owner would be willing to do what's needed to make it useable.

Re:The state of external retina displays by vvoaterr on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:54PM (#29709434)
The original owner dropped it off somewhere when his YouTube app stopped working, which probably happened years and years ago.
Re:The state of external retina displays by dylan604 on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:54PM (#29709772)
If you bought it from a less than reputable vendor, then this is the kind of thing that happens. If a reseller purchased this from the original owner in this condition, I would not call them a reputable dealer.

Apologies if this sounds like victim blaming, it's not what I'm going for. Just trying to enlighten on how to avoid this in the future.

Re:The state of external retina displays by aimor on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @09:11AM (#29713919)
What do you want exactly, for people to have the right to repair the products that they own? Ridiculous! It can't be done!