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Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by umvi on Monday December 27, 2021 @04:36PM (#29707045)
> and even more jarring how much airtime those championing unlocking, unmasking and being antivax are getting here

Not everyone agrees "excess deaths" is the ultimate variable society should optimize for at the expense of all other variables.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by lostlogin on Monday December 27, 2021 @04:45PM (#29707166)
If election results are to be believed, New Zealanders like the results achieved.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by bena on Monday December 27, 2021 @06:08PM (#29708075)
No one is trying to optimize it for.

They're using it as a crude barometer for just how bad it is. We know about how many people die on average for any given period. We expect it to be in a range. When it is wildly outside of that range, then there's something going on.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by tracerbulletx on Monday December 27, 2021 @05:53PM (#29707912)
Wearing a mask and getting a vaccine are not even tradeoffs. The choice is between being willfully obstinate and participating in measures that save lives.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by chrismcb on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @03:55PM (#29718050)
Wearing a cloth mask does nothing. And taking a vaccine might save your life.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by throwaway55421 on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:29PM (#29708736)
Wearing a mask is obviously a massive tradeoff, it's an ongoing "hey, hey, be afraid of me, I might coronise you!" indicator. It makes most people uncomfortable both physically and mentally.

Of course, even if it were free, it's essentially pointless because unless you live in China and they actually remain zero covid forever, you're going to repeatedly get coronavirus anyway cause it ain't ever going anywhere.

Vaccination is not even in the same league, it's an obvious easy win that gives you a far better chance when (not if) you get it.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by HWR_14 on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:13PM (#29709895)
Wearing a mask is all benefit for me. I'm fine with masking in public being a lifetime rule. I like looking out at masked faces, and I like wearing a mask.

I have no idea why anyone would find it uncomfortable in any way.

And yes, you might corona-ize me. But I'm more afraid that the antimasker idiot will do that than someone wearing a mask.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by dehrmann on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:47PM (#29710530)
> I have no idea why anyone would find it uncomfortable in any way.

Your first sentence makes me think you're serious. You don't see how a sea of masked faces could be seen as dystopian? Or that it's a sign that "you're not safe," and people want to feel safe?

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by HWR_14 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @02:19PM (#29716926)
> You don't see how a sea of masked faces could be seen as dystopian? Or that it's a sign that "you're not safe," and people want to feel safe?

Not in the slightest, any more than a sea of drivers in seatbelts would feel dystopian or that I'm not safe. (Or a bunch of people in snow gear, if you want a similar aesthetic.) I don't see any dystopian vibe at all, and fail to understand why wearing an article of clothing is dystopian. Do you feel the same way about pants? I think just as many people feel safer with everyone masked up, we've just been less silent throughout the pandemic.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by throwaway55421 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @02:58PM (#29717352)
You should wear a hazmat suit with a helmet in public.

I would feel safer, and there would be less pressure on my healthcare service if you fall over.

If you don't, you're scaring me.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by chrismcb on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @03:58PM (#29718082)
As a person who is hard of hearing, please don't wear your mask forever. Wearing a mask is not all benefit for everyone. Studies are showing that everyone wearing masks are also stunting the emotional growth of newborns. A cloth mask doesn't do anything, there isnt much benefit. Society as as whole will benefit more of people don't wear masks.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by HWR_14 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @11:45AM (#29726524)
I understand that other people wearing a mask is a hardship on some people (including the hard of hearing). While I sympathize, and certainly will make an effort to speak slower/louder/crisper, I'm not going to remove my mask in a public space so you can understand me. I wonder if the hearing aid business has been doing gangbusters since the pandemic started.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by throwaway55421 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @01:25PM (#29727912)
Nah, you don't give a toss because you've prioritised something which is literally impossible.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by throwaway55421 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @02:46AM (#29711456)
Well, you are verifiably insane.
Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by subsection1h on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:21PM (#29709198)
> It makes most people uncomfortable [...] mentally.

Citation needed.

Re:The Economist tracks excess deaths by throwaway55421 on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:26PM (#29709240)
No, citation wanted.

I'm not going to cite the sky being blue, tilt your neck.