New York City bans natural gas in new buildings

Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by sxates on Saturday December 25, 2021 @07:45PM (#29688536)

I have 2 Tesla Powerwalls. I'm not too worried about the fire risk, as I haven't heard of any case of powerwall fire. The city seems worried about it though, my permits and inspections all have to go through the fire department which has slowed things down a lot.

Probably a good idea to install them somewhere that would be easy to flood with water if there was a problem though.

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by foepys on Sunday December 26, 2021 @02:58AM (#29690577)

If there is a fire indoors that you cannot extinguish very, very quickly, you need to immediately get out and call the emergency services. The longer you wait, the larger the fire gets and the less professionals can do about it.

Don't try to be a hero and flood batteries from your 10 litres/minute faucet. Just get out before you inhale too much smoke, faint, and die.

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by cobbzilla on Saturday December 25, 2021 @11:36PM (#29689730)

It might be a horrible idea to attempt to extinguish a lithium fire with water. [1]

[1] http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/290443/ddg#29...

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by sxates on Saturday December 25, 2021 @11:44PM (#29689786)

Tesla's guidance for dealing with battery fires in their cars is to basically flood them. I think the idea is to keep the temperature down. The water won't extinguish it because it's a chemical fire, but you can use water to keep it from spiraling out of control.

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by tekknik on Monday December 27, 2021 @05:26AM (#29701240)

Yes, it’s to keep the temperature down to not start secondary fires. You cannot stop thermal runway and must let it take its course.

However dumping water on mass amounts of stored electricity sounds scary.

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by pridkett on Saturday December 25, 2021 @10:42PM (#29689468)

This is something that I’ve wondered about. I’ve got a trio of Powerwalls in my unfinished basement. My town seemed cool with that - for the most part the inspector was totally geeking out over the setup and how clean the installation was.

I read about a lot of places that require Powerwalls to be outside or have additional fire suppression for inside. Anyone have suggestions for what I can do given that I’ve got these guys installed? I haven’t found much help on how to protect myself there.

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by csomar on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:32AM (#29691235)

> Probably a good idea to install them somewhere that would be easy to flood with water if there was a problem though.

I can see why the fire department was concerned with these batteries: https://youtu.be/cTJh_bzI0QQ?t=344

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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings by HPsquared on Sunday December 26, 2021 @08:28AM (#29692217)

That's lithium metal though, lithium ion batteries don't behave like that. The flammable part is the electrolyte, and the high power density of lithium cells which produces a lot of heat when short-circuited.

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