Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad.

Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by idiotsecant on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @01:30PM (#29640432)

Yes, over time humans form larger and larger social groups as we are able to use technology and trade to form a more abstract and inclusive idea of the 'us' and reduce the 'them' outgroup. That's how it works. If you asked a bronze age libertarian your current idea of a 'nation' would be wildly antithetical to his idea of a free and sovereign tribe. As social groups get larger and larger we also get, on average, more and more peaceful and prosperous.

It's a good thing.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by ianunruh on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @01:47PM (#29640589)

There's a big difference between what you've just described, and a system of unaccountable, unelected bureaucrats making decisions for billions of people. Which is exactly what the loudest climate change activists are pushing.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by barbazoo on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:01PM (#29640753)

> Europe already fell for it

> unelected bureaucrats

I suggest you do some basic research before spewing misinformation like this next time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Pa...

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by ianunruh on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:06PM (#29640817)

Those were two separate comments, no need for accusations like that. I'm well aware that the EU has elections, but anyone can see that member states are losing their sovereignty as time goes on.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by barbazoo on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:32PM (#29641121)

(sorry, I was being too harsh)

In what areas specifically are they losing their sovereignty though?

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by ashwagary on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @06:40PM (#29643504)

The legitimate arguments for Brexit are a partial answer to your question.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by actually_a_dog on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @10:30PM (#29645311)

Look how well that turned out for them.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by barbazoo on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @12:14AM (#29645819)

Brexit populism was mostly based on lies. Remember the NHS bus about how much money they're allegedly sending to Brussels? Disinformation galore.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by yucky on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @01:42PM (#29640546)

>reduce the 'them' outgroup.

Seems like we're happily creating a huge outgroup of "thems" who want to wait until Pfizer concludes long term testing. Especially seeing how many countries in Europe have now stopped giving Moderna to males under 30 due to the discovery that it causes heart conditions in that cohort.[0]

[0] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/10/germany-f...

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:09PM (#29640851)

This is going off-topic, but: What's the track record for Moderna causing heart conditions in males over 30? Any evidence one way or the other?

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by yucky on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:32PM (#29641120)

Not sure, I suspect the reason the under 30 male cohort was singled out is because the data was only conclusive enough in that cohort. This is pretty recent though, so who knows what we'll see in future months/years.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @02:38PM (#29641190)

Yeah. Over 30, just had two stents put in my heart. I'm not very excited about a booster that could give me clots, or any other heart issue.

I mean, I'm not anti-vax. I got the initial shot (J&J). I just wish I knew what was the wisest next move...

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by scotty79 on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @05:28PM (#29642887)

If a booster can give you a clot then a flu or common cold could to.

Not mentioning actual covid which you will encounter multiple times in your life if those stents are working for you.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by idiotsecant on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @05:08PM (#29642711)

I think you're the only person talking about vaccines here?

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by yucky on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @02:53PM (#29654182)

We're discussing the eagerness of people to create outgroups out of anything.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by idiotsecant on Thursday December 23, 2021 @01:00PM (#29664472)

Seems a lot like shoehorning a cable news talking point into an unrelated conversation.

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Re:Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. by yucky on Sunday December 26, 2021 @01:26PM (#29694957)

Interesting, I don't watch cable news so maybe that's a blind spot for me. Would you say that you haven't seen the in-group/out-group dynamic with vaccines and vaccine discussion lately?

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