I read it fine, it removes/isolates a lot of useful features, and doesn't seem better in many real world use cases it is worst, like clipboard, screen warmers like redshift, global hotkeys, and VNC.

I have tried these as addons, and they basically suck, and its complex to change them, and for what benefit? Some smoother graphics? I am on Linux, that is the least important thing. Basically if it doesn't give me real world benefits, I am unlikely to want to switch, and if it gives me more issues and less features for things that matter and isn't a drop in replacement it might as well be a scooter to my car.

> and for what benefit? Some smoother graphics? I am on Linux, that is the least important thing.

This really sums up this side of the argument for me (though it doesn't address the security features of Wayland). If I want to watch an ultra high definition movie, or play a game, rebooting to windows is a miniscule price. Almost all of my work is done on Linux, and I value it because everything can be made to work, usually with little effort. Wayland adds some severe overhead to that work.

https://old.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/n3mjj3/native_vs_vm_b... you can also do this. If you want to use wayland without issues GNOME works well if you wanna login to another session, VFIO will give you full windows game support (Win VM will use the GPU in windows driver mode).

For anyone who wants a functional desktop on any DE, x.org is the best, and cannot be replaced currently by wayland in features or software compatibility.

> If I want to watch an ultra high definition movie, or play a game, rebooting to windows is a miniscule price.

So you're saying let's not improve the Linux desktop because one can just reboot into Windows to do desktop things? What even is that argument?

I want to have a nice desktop on Linux, thank you very much.

From the thread, wayland isn't an improvement for most users. The thread says problems are made worst by wayland.

Clipboard issues = wl-clipboard, screen warmers... Gammastep. Anything else?

Do they have widgets? What about global hotkeys?

I've tried it a few times, across Intel and Nvidia GPUs. I never went through the trouble of identifying or filing the issues (life is too short), but just off the top of my head, I remember:

- Cursor rapidly changing state for no discernible reason

- Missed inputs, particularly in xWayland

- Drawing issues, where portions of one window would appear and the rest would fail to draw entirely

- Electron apps were hit-or-miss out of the box, but I got most of them working

- Display flickering and seriously messed-up color correction in xWayland applications, rendering a handful of games and apps just completely unusable

It's been a few months since I've given it a run again, but I'm not exactly excited to spend a day figuring out how my display manager functions when x11 works well enough for my uses. Maybe once the KDE bugs get ironed out properly I'll give it another pass.

Same experience, KDE isn't quite ready, but on GNOME it was excellent and "just worked" for the stuff I used it for.

It feels like Wayland is mostly a Gnome project, sure there is also Sway but then that's it when it comes to stable desktops.

It's not a GNOME project. You've even listed one DE that supports it and has nothing to do with GNOME. It's just that KDE is late to the party and it's now scrambling to polish their Wayland support for the next 5.24 release, also thanks to Valve sponsoring part of the effort for the Steam Deck.

He said it feels like it, since its got good support on it, and its pretty rigid, so much that it breaks userspace.