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Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by chrismorgan on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:14PM (#29512446)
I basically don’t encounter any ads in my day-to-day life, digital or physical. I have no TV, and use uBlock Origin (including annoyances lists) on laptop and phone. I live in a tiny rural town so that practically the only advertising posters within a 35km radius are first-party advertising on two or three Telstra public phone booths, and in the decent-sized towns 40km away in either direction there’s barely any more. The nearest billboard ads of any sort would be over a hundred kilometres away, in Horsham, Ballarat or Bendigo, and not much at that.

When I go down to the big smoke (Melbourne) I find the prevalence of billboards, side-of-bus ads, &c. physically distressing—and then they make it worse by using screens for them so they can change their contents, make them glary, &c. and it’s just awful. And it becomes ever more and more intrusive; Melbourne’s trains used to be safe spaces, then they put billboards on the platforms, then scrolling billboards, then ads in the carriages, then animated billboards on the platforms, then billboards with speakers on the platforms, and I wonder just what they’ll come up with next. I really dislike the city. There’s a reason I moved out into the country.

As for television ads, ugh! Maybe once every year or two I happen to be in the same room as a television that’s turned on, and how anyone can stand to watch the stuff when such ads are part of it, I don’t know. Maybe if you grow up with it you don’t realise quite how obnoxious it is?

I have concluded that display advertising is just fundamentally bad and that our society would be better if it were outright banned in all its forms. I would even sympathise with vigilantes that went round demolishing and vandalising billboards on principle.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by Nextgrid on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:23PM (#29512610)
Advertising is cancer and should die, but billboards and real-world display advertising is probably the least bad version of it. I'd prefer if online advertising (and the associated data collection and privacy violations) were nuked first.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by tfehring on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:38PM (#29512846)
I can't think of a less bad alternative to billboards, so I don't disagree with your claim, but I'll say that I didn't realize how much billboards suck until I spent time driving in Vermont, where they're banned. (I'm originally from Wisconsin, where the freeways have billboards for sex shops, CBD, fireworks, and fetuses every few hundred feet.) The driving experience is so much better without them that I'm pretty confident in saying that their negative externalities are dramatically higher than their economic value and the only reason they exist is that those externalities are externalized.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by dTal on Saturday December 11, 2021 @03:55PM (#29524216)
It's absurd that we're so dedicated to the god of Capitalism that we've had to invent a special term ("negative externalities") to describe the basic premise of ethics - "being selfish is bad".

The "economic value" of billboards shouldn't even be a question. It's self-evident that billboards benefit the owner of the billboard at the expense of everyone else. Nobody looks at an empty patch of sky and wishes there were an advertisement there instead.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by bee_rider on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:21PM (#29513479)
That's a pretty dramatic change, as far as billboards go. I think most of the rest of the northeast still has billboards, but they are for, like, normal products.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:50PM (#29514675)
Pretty much none of the country has billboards for "normal products" these days. They're either advertising a local establishment (i.e. "McDonalds! next exit!"), or they're advertising something that the TV networks/AdSense/Facebook wouldn't allow them to (i.e. CBD or sex shops or random religious nutjobmania).
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by danachow on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:54PM (#29514719)
No. The northeast has plenty of anti-abortion, sex shops, fireworks, CBD/marijuana (MM is legal in PA - any state with legalized dispensaries will have these billboards.

Don’t know what you consider a normal product but for truckers and people coming from NY adult stores and fireworks are “normal”

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by ufo on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:27PM (#29512666)
I do agree that the privacy invading stuff is a more urgent problem. But I want to add a counterpoint about the physical ads. I remember when they banned all the billboards in São Paulo and the city ended up looking much better after it. The change ended up being highly regarded by the residents.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by dTal on Saturday December 11, 2021 @03:58PM (#29524240)
Counterpoint:

You can escape online advertising by walking away from the computer.

There's nowhere you can walk to escape physical advertising. Maybe the desert.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by Nextgrid on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:38PM (#29532854)
Online advertising stalks you even if you're not looking at the ads. Opting out of online advertising basically means you need to go live in the woods and never interact with modern society again. Every interaction you'd have with technology will have something to do with ads one way or another, even if just buying paid products in a physical store thanks to Bluetooth/Wi-Fi MAC address tracking, face recognition, not to mention loyalty cards (but at least you can opt-out of that one).
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by dTal on Monday December 13, 2021 @08:35AM (#29539441)
>Opting out of online advertising basically means you need to go live in the woods and never interact with modern society again

No, it just means you need to not open a web browser, or install an ad blocker. Opting out of physical advertising literally means this. I'm not saying that online advertising isn't bad, but physical advertising is inescapable. Your very food packaging is covered in it. The real world has primacy here, because you live in it and can't turn it off.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by carabiner on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:30PM (#29514397)
That would destroy 90% of the tech industry.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by gilmore606 on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:51PM (#29515883)
Sure but there's probably a downside as well.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by carabiner on Friday December 10, 2021 @06:12PM (#29516613)
fucking lol. I think it'd suck for us have our SWE salaries crash down to non-tech levels. Making $140k after 10 years of experience at Google, oof. Tech VC's drained, how will I start my dog therapist app? But yeah, massive net benefit to society. Housing returning to normal levels, cities with blended cultures of white/blue collar and art workers.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by TheOtherHobbes on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:37PM (#29514478)
It would destroy 90% of the current version of the tech industry.

I find it hard to believe that a better version isn't possible.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by ACow_Adonis on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:42PM (#29515796)
the AD industry. it would destroy the AD industry.

they've been so successful in their advertising they've just managed to get people to call them "tech".

tech would probably be untouched, and who knows, might even flourish a bit once people stop wasting their time and paycheques to make the world a worse place.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:51PM (#29514678)
Good.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Friday December 10, 2021 @07:13PM (#29517091)
If you consume any media, you're still getting hit by plenty of ads, they're just more subtle.

Product placements in TV and movies continues to grow each year, and an increasing proportion of seemingly organic social media posts are bought and paid for by companies, though never disclosed. I have a friend who has basically spent the last ten years helping brands to pay influencers to promote their stuff in subtle ways (first on YouTube, then Instagram, now TikTok), and her business has never been better.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by distantaidenn on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:13PM (#29513363)
You'd fall into a fit of hysteria in Tokyo! Advertisements as far as the eye can see in the city center. Oh yeah, and everything talks...the bus, the vending machines, the constant jingles in the convenience stores, and if you can understand what it's saying -- well take a guess about what it is.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by spurgu on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:44PM (#29514591)
> I basically don’t encounter any ads in my day-to-day life, digital or physical.

The only ads I encounter are physical. Adblockers don't work for billboards. :D

> As for television ads, ugh! Maybe once every year or two I happen to be in the same room as a television that’s turned on, and how anyone can stand to watch the stuff when such ads are part of it, I don’t know.

This I realized when I was 19 while on LSD and it was a revelation. I put the TV in the closet and never had one since (or, well, one that I only used through HDMI so it was a monitor rather than a TV).

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by riekus on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:24PM (#29513522)
Lived in hopetoun VIC for 1.5 year, left 6 months ago, what a beautiful area. Love the Grampians.